Kinetic Whip / Blade + Weapon versatility

[NeverWinning]

Can I use Weapon Versatility with a Kinetic Whip or Blade. I know the whip may be a stretch, but the blade literally makes a light one-handed weapon.

If that works, can I use Slashing grace with it?

[Johnnycat93]

Nope. Neither a kinetic blade nor a kinetic whip are in a weapon group, so they don't benefit from martial versatility

EDIT: weapon versatility works assuming weapon focus (kinetic blade) is a valid choice, which does open up slashing grace.

[NeverWinning]

Weapon Versatility, not Martial Versatility:

When wielding a weapon with which you have Weapon Focus, you can shift your grip as a swift action so that your weapon deals bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing damage instead of the damage type normally dealt by that weapon. You may switch back to the weapon’s normal damage type or another damage type as a swift action. If your base attack bonus is +5 or higher, using this feat is a free action instead.

[Johnnycat93]

I saw that and edited a further response, however I think it is unclear if Kinetic Blade is a valid choice for Weapon Focus. I'd allow it, but you may want to clarify with your GM.

[Mark Seifter]

Kineticist wrote:

Kinetic blasts count as a type of weapon for the purpose of feats such as Weapon Focus. The kineticist is never considered to be wielding or gripping the kinetic blast (regardless of effects from form infusions; see Infusion), and she can't use Vital Strike feats with kinetic blasts.

So Weapon Focus is a yes, but Weapon Versatility is a no (not wielding). In addition to the above (and Slashing Grace's wielding requirement), Slashing Grace replaces Strength modifier to damage with Dexterity, but Kinetic Blade doesn't add Strength modifier.

[Texas Snyper]

Johnnycat93 wrote:

I saw that and edited a further response, however I think it is unclear if Kinetic Blade is a valid choice for Weapon Focus. I'd allow it, but you may want to clarify with your GM.

"Kinetic Blast (Sp) wrote:

...Kinetic blasts count as a type of weapon for the purpose of feats such as Weapon Focus.

It absolutely can be selected by weapon focus and other similar feats. BUT you don't ever wield your kinetic blade so weapon versatility doesn't work.

[Alderic]

You take weapon focus for the blast itself, not the Blade specifically, also, both Aether and Earth let you do Sashing damage if needed.
And finally, you're already adding one of the only two stats you need as a Kineticist to your damage, what's the point of going so far to fish for a little extra damage ?
Wouldn't you be better served by more versatility ? Extra wild talent is there if you really don't know what to do with your feats.

[Lausth]

I guess holding lets say a dagger.Taking weapon focus(Dagger) then cast kinetic blade on it.Can ı use dagger to use weapon versatility and atack with that dagger in question while kinetic blade and other infusions or metakinesis on it?

[Alderic]

Assuming telekinetic blast here, since none of the other blasts interact in any way with an object you're wielding.

Kinetic Blade deals your blast damage, it does not add it to the weapon you wield. Since it's based on the basic telekinetic blast, you can assume it works in a similar way, you can get your blast's damage with none of the properties of the objet you're using, or you can use the object's damage and properties, in which case kinetic blade itself would be pointless, just swing the dagger.
Also... it might destroy the object you're using after lvl 3

And finally, I still don't understand why you would want to use weapon versatility on a blast that can already deal all 3 types of damage

[Lausth]

Alderic wrote:

Assuming telekinetic blast here, since none of the other blasts interact in any way with an object you're wielding.

Kinetic Blade deals your blast damage, it does not add it to the weapon you wield. Since it's based on the basic telekinetic blast, you can assume it works in a similar way, you can get your blast's damage with none of the properties of the objet you're using, or you can use the object's damage and properties, in which case kinetic blade itself would be pointless, just swing the dagger.
Also... it might destroy the object you're using after lvl 3

And finally, I still don't understand why you would want to use weapon versatility on a blast that can already deal all 3 types of damage

Well if he wants to he can.I just care about haste realy.And ı guess a weapon with speed enchanment on it.