Need some advice on new pfs character


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Hey all, i'm going to player a new character on pfs. i have some ideas but i don't know which is better. i need your advice to make decision.
All my ideas are about character focusing on combat and covering some useful skills.

First idea:
half-elf twf Empiricist dip ID rager
combat:
bloodrage and mutagen for high str
half elf for bastard sword and fco
Dutiful Strike/Lead Blades(wand,maybe)enlarge the weapon dice of bastard sword and twf make it hurts twice.
skill:
Empiricist and Student of Philosophy trait mean everything

Second idea:
human archer sanctified slayer
combat:
inquisitor is good for archer.
redemption inquisition boost the damage.
spell bane feat and Studied Target make spell hard to save
skill:
inquisitor have 6+int skill point and good list of class skill.
Studied Target and redemption inquisition give some skill bounce.
maybe some spell to boost skill

so,which one do you think is better?which one do you like to be your teammate?


anyone?

Liberty's Edge

The Empiricist Investigator is an amazing skill monkey. I would suggest saving up for an impact weapon, because that is only a +1 enhancement. When you say twf with a bastard sword, do you mean two HANDED fighting? I'm assuming you are thinking of using a Large sized bastard sword like Amiri uses. And of course, Enlarge person is on the Alchemist list. Obviously, you will have take an attack to get the dutiful strike bonus. Are thinking of picking up Vital Strike at higher levels? I think it would be worth it...as you'll be doing something like 5d8 damage if everything lines up.

I think the downside of the sanctified slayer is that you are giving up judgements, which are very flexible; and the studied target is a movement action until level 7. You won't be able to Rapid shot on the same round that you are starting your studied target, whereas Judgements start off as swift actions. Also, the studied target increases the DCs of class abilities; I don't think it's clear that it would affect the DCs of your spells. So expect that some GMs might say that it doesn't work.

So for what its worth, my opinion is that the Empiricist/bloodrager would be a little better for what you're trying to do.


Badblood wrote:
I would suggest saving up for an impact weapon, because that is only a +1 enhancement.

Impact is a +2 enhancement.

Liberty's Edge

So it is...dang. Still might be worth getting, as it would safe you the action economy of having to pull out and use a wand at the beginning of every fight.


Sorry for reply so late.

Badblood wrote:
I would suggest saving up for an impact weapon

Awful.I will put it on the shopping list.

Badblood wrote:
When you say twf with a bastard sword, do you mean two HANDED fighting?

With the alternate racial traits Ancestral Arms,a half-elf can get a Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat which make the bastard sword one-hand weapon and available to two weapon fighting.Besides,Effortless Lace will reduce the twf penalty though it is heavy for low level game.

Badblood wrote:
I think the downside of the sanctified slayer is that you are giving up judgements, which are very flexible; and the studied target is a movement action until level 7.You won't be able to Rapid shot on the same round that you are starting your studied target, whereas Judgements start off as swift actions.

I totally agree with you.The sanctified slayer is weaker than the normal inquisitor at low level,but it will catch at lv5(when Bane become the first choice) and stronger after lv7(SA,more feat,more uses)

Thanks a lot.


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Effortless lace isn't PFS legal, and you can't get the inspired property on a bastard sword. Inspired is +1 equivalent and many investigators will want it.

Given the move action required to study a target, you might want to cast a standard action buff or debuff that round, or spend an action moving to a better position rather than shoot just once. It's not a show-stopper, just a change of tactics.

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avr wrote:
Effortless lace isn't PFS legal, and you can't get the c on a bastard sword. Inspired is +1 equivalent and many investigators will want it.

What a pity!I forgot to check the Effortless lace legal or not.Will the Furious better than Inspired?Since I'm new to investigator,I don't how many uses of inspiration can be left to attack in pfs.

avr wrote:


Given the move action required to study a target, you might want to cast a standard action buff or debuff that round, or spend an action moving to a better position rather than shoot just once. It's not a show-stopper, just a change of tactics.

Yes.At low level the studied target doesn't matter.If necessary,I would like to fight without it.

avr wrote:


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Got it.Sometimes I found myself replying twice and couldn't delete it.

Grand Lodge

Yes to furious. Investigator's study out scales slayer's especially with quick study. Consider accelerated driker. It will make your buffing routine crazy.

You should have long term buffs up, mutagen and heroism. Keep a potion in hand of enlarger person. Round one swift to study, move enlarge, standard other buff ( shield, combined extracts, polymorph etc.), free rage.


Going to ask this question.

Can you even use Investigator's Study while Bloodraging?

Like I understand Grandlodge the Round 1 and Raging Last...but what happens if you need to Switch your study for combats with many foes?
Also would not Barb give you better for just a small dip? Only thing the Bloodrager would give is the ability to use spell trigger items on it's list.

Other than that the d12 HD from Barb might be the better route, you could take Drunken Brute archetype that can help you drink a potion as a move action without provoking AoO. Also allows more rounds of Rage just by chugging some booze.

Bastard sword should probably be replaced with a more Investigator style weapon like a Long Spear, Elven branched spear or a Rapier. Reach can be king at giving you more attacks in a round especially with Enlarge person or Long arm thrown into the mix.

Personally if I dip anything With the Emp Investigator, I dip Inspired Blade swashbuckler and go the Dex route. Str builds do more damage but the Swashigator (dex build) is the better skill guy. The Vivisectionist Alchemist is not PFS legal but also a really good 1 Inspire blade Swash/ Viv Alchemist. I think it is a really good build for outside PFS.

Grand Lodge

Some people say you can't study it is a minority opinion as far as I can tell as it is not an int based skill and does not require concentration.

Drunken brute is fine. I have used it one an investigator build. But it's not compatible with armoured hulk so you can't get heavy armour, which you want on a strength investigator. Id rager also gives other really useful powers in place of rage powers (iron will, power attack, skill focus, accuracy and damage boosts). Some are only active while raging but are still great. I would say most rage powers or I'd rager power are worth way more than 2hp.

Weapons go 2 routes. An investigator weapon, short bow, long spear or rapier if you want inspired or best martial weapon if you don't want the inspired weapon enhancement. My recommendations are great sword, falcata, fauchard, or Lucerne hammer. With exotic weapon being picked up by picking up a Cracked Opalescent White Pyramid for 1500gp. A furious keen fauchard is amazing if you don't want to wait for improved criticals.

I love my Dex investigator but damage lags and you can use your best buff (monstrous physique well). I test ran mine with an unchained drunken brute and that work decently but your out of combat utility does suffer. Thought it is still a really fun character.

I have never done the math but I would think you lose a lot of damage potential on the vivsectionist using a single weapon one handed. Sneak build usually depend on lost of attacks or two handing and just considering the sneak damage bonus. I think the natural attack vivsectionist do really wallabies claw claw talon talon gore full Bab.

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