Shooting of Prayer Meeting in Québec


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Hope this link works for non-Canadians.

The response from all our political parties has been the same: we will keep bringing in refugees, Muslim or not. There will be no slow down or change in policy.

My thoughts are in a blur, shifting from horror at what has happened and extreme pride in the courage and integrity of my country. I know this will only reach those who already agree with me on this subject, but we really have to be more kind to one another and far less afraid of the unknown. It is the only way to keep people like this killer from being raised up in our societies.

Peace and good thoughts to everyone, especially the Islamic community in Québec.

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The slide in to darkness seems to be going on nearly world wide at the moment. Canada may be heading the other direction (e.g. Trudeau replacing Harper), but they're still impacted by the rise of global stupidity.

Good to hear that open arms to refugees policy will continue... if things continue as they are going, some of us in the US may need it.


I want to focus on the horror of this shooting, but I can't help but think...

All eyes go now to Germany.


Feros wrote:

Hope this link works for non-Canadians.

The response from all our political parties has been the same: we will keep bringing in refugees, Muslim or not. There will be no slow down or change in policy.

My thoughts are in a blur, shifting from horror at what has happened and extreme pride in the courage and integrity of my country. I know this will only reach those who already agree with me on this subject, but we really have to be more kind to one another and far less afraid of the unknown. It is the only way to keep people like this killer from being raised up in our societies.

Peace and good thoughts to everyone, especially the Islamic community in Québec.

Trudeau need to remember there were a lot of Immigrations and Religions based issues in the Province of Quebec not that long ago, many that existed in other provinces as well, but to a lesser degree.


What?


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
What?

"Reasonable Accomodations (not sure about the exact word)" and "Quebec's Charter of Values", among others.


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Oh, you mean Trudeau should be aware that there are plenty of Islamophobes in Quebec? I'm sure he knows that now.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Oh, you mean Trudeau should be aware that there are plenty of Islamophobes in Quebec? I'm sure he knows that now.

Not just Islam.


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Guy St-Amant wrote:

Trudeau need to remember there were a lot of Immigrations and Religions based issues in the Province of Quebec not that long ago, many that existed in other provinces as well, but to a lesser degree.

I don't know why you are focussing on Trudeau; ALL of the political leaders, regardless of political stripe—including Premier Couillard— are on the same page here.

Believe me, while it was in the news in Québec recently it is easily seen elsewhere in Canada. From the whole ridiculous naqib debate of the last election to comments I have heard from ignorant co-workers about Syrian refugees, bigotry and fear exist in our country.

I'm just proud of the response, not just at the site of the tragedy but across the nation and with relationships between religious groups. And we are talking about possible solutions like the Montreal anti-radicalization center going nationwide, not just wringing our hands.


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I'm just proud of the response, not just at the site of the tragedy but across the nation and with relationships between religious groups. And we are talking about possible solutions like the Montreal anti-radicalization center going nationwide, not just wringing our hands.

Could we get this civilization advancement for the America? We can trade you Twitter and some political figures?


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A thread about Canadian politics? Someone contact Citizen Humual!

Horrific shiznit, though. I'm not good at the whole expressing my feelings stuff, so I'll just skip to the part about expressing solidarity and "An injury to one is an injury to all!"


Feros wrote:
Guy St-Amant wrote:

Trudeau need to remember there were a lot of Immigrations and Religions based issues in the Province of Quebec not that long ago, many that existed in other provinces as well, but to a lesser degree.

I don't know why you are focussing on Trudeau; ALL of the political leaders, regardless of political stripe—including Premier Couillard— are on the same page here.

Believe me, while it was in the news in Québec recently it is easily seen elsewhere in Canada. From the whole ridiculous naqib debate of the last election to comments I have heard from ignorant co-workers about Syrian refugees, bigotry and fear exist in our country.

I'm just proud of the response, not just at the site of the tragedy but across the nation and with relationships between religious groups. And we are talking about possible solutions like the Montreal anti-radicalization center going nationwide, not just wringing our hands.

Dood, that shooting was merely a 5 minutes walk from where I live.

And it wasn't just the Niqab, hell, the Niqab thing was the last of a long, long list of issues, that included the Kirpan.


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Dood, that shooting was merely a 5 minutes walk from where I live.

And it wasn't just the Niqab, hell, the Niqab thing was the last of a long, long list of issues, that included the Kirpan.

Wow. I'm sorry. I hope you didn't know anyone who was hurt personally.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
A thread about Canadian politics? Someone contact Citizen Humual!

A thread about Canadian politics can be just as conflicted and volatile as any other. There is a noted tendency among quite a few of us to apologize if we feel we have over-stepped a line, I will admit. :)


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Feros wrote:
Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dood, that shooting was merely a 5 minutes walk from where I live.

And it wasn't just the Niqab, hell, the Niqab thing was the last of a long, long list of issues, that included the Kirpan.

Wow. I'm sorry. I hope you didn't know anyone who was hurt personally.

Fortunately, I didn't.

I just can't wrap my mind around all the "But I thought we were safe from this kind of thing in Quebec/Canada".

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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

A thread about Canadian politics? Someone contact Citizen Humual!

Horrific shiznit, though. I'm not good at the whole expressing my feelings stuff, so I'll just skip to the part about expressing solidarity and "An injury to one is an injury to all!"

Sorry I've been busy.

Yes, it was tragic, but I was never of the opinion that racism and xenophobia wasn't a problem in Canada. The fact that it happened in Quebec isn't surprising either. Things have been at a slow boil there for a while now, and one has to understand that the Quebecois have been feeling under threat for a very long time, mostly from anglophone pressure, but also from within as middle eastern immigrants may speak their language but don't share their culture.

I really hope that people realize that although I can't say I'm surprised I also feel this isn't normal, and that I would imagine that most Canadians inside and outside of Quebec feel the same. I wonder if anything can be learned from this tragedy? I know there's no way to guarantee this can't happen again, but I would feel better knowing that something happened or changed because of this.


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Trudeau's office confronts Fox news over misinformation about the Quebec shooting


I am so very sorry to hear of the deaths; this is awful, and such violence should never come to anyone.

I will keep the victims and their families and loved ones in my prayers.


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Yeah, seriously, f@*& the news media that misrepresented this as a Muslim attack.


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Guy St-Amant wrote:
Feros wrote:
Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dood, that shooting was merely a 5 minutes walk from where I live.

And it wasn't just the Niqab, hell, the Niqab thing was the last of a long, long list of issues, that included the Kirpan.

Wow. I'm sorry. I hope you didn't know anyone who was hurt personally.

Fortunately, I didn't.

I just can't wrap my mind around all the "But I thought we were safe from this kind of thing in Quebec/Canada".

Agreed. It is not as obvious down here in NB as it apparently is in Quebec, but if you look you can see it boiling below the surface. After the attack on Parliament in 2015 and the shooting of five Mounties in Moncton, you'd think people would realize that our racists and extremists are just as capable of destruction and death as any in the world.

We just don't have it happen as often, not never.


Feros wrote:
Guy St-Amant wrote:
Feros wrote:
Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dood, that shooting was merely a 5 minutes walk from where I live.

And it wasn't just the Niqab, hell, the Niqab thing was the last of a long, long list of issues, that included the Kirpan.

Wow. I'm sorry. I hope you didn't know anyone who was hurt personally.

Fortunately, I didn't.

I just can't wrap my mind around all the "But I thought we were safe from this kind of thing in Quebec/Canada".

Agreed. It is not as obvious down here in NB as it apparently is in Quebec, but if you look you can see it boiling below the surface. After the attack on Parliament in 2015 and the shooting of five Mounties in Moncton, you'd think people would realize that our racists and extremists are just as capable of destruction and death as any in the world.

We just don't have it happen as often, not never.

The Metro in Montreal get gazed so often people stopped noticing.

and then there is the Pauline Marois thing from not so long ago.

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Faux News was quick to jump on the fact that a Moroccan man was taken into custody along with the shooter. With that being the extent of their knowledge guess who they thought the shooter was?

Later, when the facts were in, they had to be pressured by the PM to delete their Tweet. Stay classy Faux News.


Trump's people immediately used the shooting (as reported by Fox) as further defense for their Muslim ban, too.


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["FOX NEWS" SNARK DELETED AS IT SEEMED CRASS AND DISRESPECTFUL IN THE WAKE OF THIS VIOLENT TRAGEDY. APOLOGIES IF READ BEFORE I NUKED IT.]


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Yeah, seriously, f!$& the news media that misrepresented this as a Muslim attack.

Oh come on, Kobold Cleaver. Those poor news executives got to find some way to profiteer from human misery and suffering, and fear-mongering lies is always a top seller. Take that way from them and they've got nothing.


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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
["FOX NEWS" SNARK DELETED AS IT SEEMED CRASS AND DISRESPECTFUL IN THE WAKE OF THIS VIOLENT TRAGEDY. APOLOGIES IF READ BEFORE I NUKED IT.]

Gee, Pillbug, that apology was very Canadian of you. ;)

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