I tried to build a Cold Iron Scorpion Whip, but it was flagged as illegal in Hero Lab. Here is the original thread on the Hero Lab forums.
RAW is clear: "metal parts". If arrows can be cold iron, a scorpion whip should also. Seems obvious to me, but could we get an official clarification?
Of course I will ask my GM, and we'll house rule it one way or the other, but it's always nice when everybody agrees. :)
Thanks!
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I tried to build a Cold Iron Scorpion Whip, but it was flagged as illegal in Hero Lab. Here is the original thread on the Hero Lab forums.
RAW is clear: "metal parts". If arrows can be cold iron, a scorpion whip should also. Seems obvious to me, but could we get an official clarification?
Of course I will ask my GM, and we'll house rule it one way or the other, but it's always nice when everybody agrees. :)
Thanks!
Do you have the Core Rulebook? Specifically says arrows can be made from cold iron.
As for the Scorpion Whip, the description does not clarify the presence of metal parts. It says "razor-sharp blades and fangs" but does not clarify that these are metal or not. I think in a casual game, the GM would probably allow it, but it is much more grey for PFS. Definitely an "ask your GM" thing.
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I tried to build a Cold Iron Scorpion Whip, but it was flagged as illegal in Hero Lab. Here is the original thread on the Hero Lab forums.
RAW is clear: "metal parts". If arrows can be cold iron, a scorpion whip should also. Seems obvious to me, but could we get an official clarification?
Of course I will ask my GM, and we'll house rule it one way or the other, but it's always nice when everybody agrees. :)
Thanks!
Do you have the Core Rulebook? Specifically says arrows can be made from cold iron.
As for the Scorpion Whip, the description does not clarify the presence of metal parts. It says "razor-sharp blades and fangs" but does not clarify that these are metal or not. I think in a casual game, the GM would probably allow it, but it is much more grey for PFS. Definitely an "ask your GM" thing.
How often are "blades" not made of metal? Unless they're made of glass or flint or something, they'll be made of metal.
What gives me pause here is if a scorpion whip is used as a whip (and not a scorpion whip) it probably should not still count as cold iron? But I'm not sure, since the whip/scorpion whip thing is eternally baffling to me.
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How often are "blades" not made of metal? Unless they're made of glass or flint or something, they'll be made of metal.Oh, I agree, but that's up to the GM. From a strick RAW stance, it doesn't say it's made of metal, and to be cold iron, that is a requirement.
From a strict RAW stance it doesn't say a greatsword is made of metal either.
What gives me pause here is if a scorpion whip is used as a whip (and not a scorpion whip) it probably should not still count as cold iron? But I'm not sure, since the whip/scorpion whip thing is eternally baffling to me.
Personally I'd say it still counts because it still "deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus." This indicates to me that the blades are still in play.
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From a strict RAW stance it doesn't say a greatsword is made of metal either.How often are "blades" not made of metal? Unless they're made of glass or flint or something, they'll be made of metal.Oh, I agree, but that's up to the GM. From a strick RAW stance, it doesn't say it's made of metal, and to be cold iron, that is a requirement.
That is amusing. But then is your arguement that Greatswords shouldn't be allowed to be made of Cold Iron either? Because that arguement, despite being silly, does have solid RAW backing as you suggest. I would be more willing to accept that you can't make cold Iron Greatswords, than I would be willing to accept that scoripion whips contain metal parts.
I do think Paizo could do with some better descriptions of the more obscure weapons.
But in either case, I'd just ask the GM. At the start of the session, just ask if you can buy a cold Iron scorpion whip. If they approve, get that GM to sign the inventory tracking sheet and call it good. If they disagree, then drop it. Most GM's follow the path of least resistance, so they'll side with what sounds easy and not likely to create further problems. And once one GM agree's, other GM's won't further change it unless they run into game problems.
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I would be more willing to accept that you can't make cold Iron Greatswords, than I would be willing to accept that scoripion whips contain metal parts.
*blink*
*blink*
... anyway...
This whip has a series of razor sharp blades and fangs inset along its tip.
While blades can be non-metal in Pathfinder, they pretty much default to metal. I've yet to see a blade that can't be metal.
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This whip has a series of razor sharp blades and fangs inset along its tip.While blades can be non-metal in Pathfinder, they pretty much default to metal. I've yet to see a blade that can't be metal.
Clearly they meant grass blades. <:-|
What about a broken glass bottle?
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Clearly they meant grass blades. <:-|This whip has a series of razor sharp blades and fangs inset along its tip.While blades can be non-metal in Pathfinder, they pretty much default to metal. I've yet to see a blade that can't be metal.
Those do hurt like a mother...
Ah, now, a macuahuitl would be made of obsidian and wood. That's kind of a blade.
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Common sense says that generally speaking, unless otherwise specified, blades are metal. In fact, when blades aren't metal, they're called out as another kind of material specifically.
Don't listen to HeroLab, it's not perfect. Report it as an error and move along. The scorpion whip is probably coded in such a way that it references the normal whip entry (which couldn't be made of metal) and I'm willing to bet that's where the error arises.
Good luck.
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That is amusing.From a strict RAW stance it doesn't say a greatsword is made of metal either.How often are "blades" not made of metal? Unless they're made of glass or flint or something, they'll be made of metal.Oh, I agree, but that's up to the GM. From a strick RAW stance, it doesn't say it's made of metal, and to be cold iron, that is a requirement.
Using "RAW does not explicitly say ...." is a losing argument. There are a lot of things RAW never explicitly says, but we assume is valid because Common Sense.
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Using "RAW does not explicitly say ...." is a losing argument. There are a lot of things RAW never explicitly says, but we assume is valid because Common Sense.That is amusing.From a strict RAW stance it doesn't say a greatsword is made of metal either.How often are "blades" not made of metal? Unless they're made of glass or flint or something, they'll be made of metal.Oh, I agree, but that's up to the GM. From a strick RAW stance, it doesn't say it's made of metal, and to be cold iron, that is a requirement.
Word. Here is a brief list of things not specifically made of metal:
arrows, orc double axe, spiked chain, dagger, punching dagger, glaive, greatsword, guisarm, halberd, gnome hooked hammer, kama, kukri, lance, longspear, longsword, ranseur, rapier, shortspear, shortsword, spear, armor spikes, bastard sword, two-bladed sword, dwarven urgrosh, dwarves waraxe, shield spikes...
The point is, with a few notable exceptions (like flails and maces), RAW does not address materials at all, because writers assume you understand that blades, arrow heads, spear heads, etc. are generally made of metal.
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Using "RAW does not explicitly say ...." is a losing argument. There are a lot of things RAW never explicitly says, but we assume is valid because Common Sense.
If that was my arguement, then sure.
My stance is, and has been, that you should ask your GM. As for the RAW, it doesn't specifically say they are metal. I agree, common sense is often applied, but common sense isn't always common, so ask your GM.