So I got somewhat excited when I found out about this Archetype yesterday.
You get 6th level spontaneous casting from a nice spell list and Rage! While raging you can get some nice bonuses like a +4 shield bonus at level 3 the emotional aura at level 7 and 2 swift action attacks at level 8.
Gotta be awesome right? Well you also have a d8 HD and only simple weapons and light armor to go with it...so that's far less awesome.
Also seems like you can't really cast while raging... so that's kinda gimped. Also I'm not sure if you can utilize Furious Equipment...
So my first impression is that this functions a bit like a vigilante. In your normal state you can cast and be good at social skills (particularly with dedication focus which seems like the best focus) and in you're rapture state you turn into carnage machine (at least from level 8 onwards).
Anyone built or maybe even played one of these?
Rapture does not work with furious equipment. While it functions as Bloodrage, it specifically calls out that it is not Rage for the purposed of prerequisites and other benefits.
It's worth combining the Exciter archetype with Fractured Mind, as you can then use Rapture to boost your save DCs. Also worth doing is picking up Metamagic Rods of Intuitive Spell, allowing you to cast most of your spells while in Rapture from level 4 onward.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
The Exciter Archetype of the Spiritualist.
It's worth combining the Exciter archetype with Fractured Mind, as you can then use Rapture to boost your save DCs. Also worth doing is picking up Metamagic Rods of Intuitive Spell, allowing you to cast most of your spells while in Rapture from level 4 onward.
Yeah I was thinking about the fractured mind Archetype as well (before noticing that you can't really cast in rapture) I didn't think about the Intuitive Spell Metamagic rods however. Not sure if this is all that great though because rods require you to use your hand so you can't Swing around big sticks while doing so. How does Rapture work with the spell like abilities gained from Fractured Mind? If you could boost say the DC of your Command SLA it would actually be pretty decent...
You could also hunt down the few spells with components listed as S, e.g. Spirit-bound blade or Psychic leech. Long-duration spells that you cast before combat would work too.
You could also hunt down the few spells with components listed as S, e.g. Spirit-bound blade or Psychic leech. Long-duration spells that you cast before combat would work too.
Seeing that your number of spells is somewhat limited I was planning on picking up long term buffs and utility spells. You can also buff or cast touch spells on the first round of combat and discharge them with natural attacks while in rapture. I was kind of excited about the swift action spells but seems like they all require V which is a real bummer...
Here's what I was thinking: Go Tengu for the Natural attacks and Bonus to WIS, the CON penalty is really painful but 3 primary natural attacks help circumvent your lack of weapon proficiencies, and also work well with your touch spells. Dedication Focus makes you awesome at social stuff despite dumping CHA and both the 1st level ability and the aura are useful. Also I'm pretty sure Iron Will would stay on even in rapture.
For spells I was planning on:
1 Chill Touch (cast either before combat or in round one and combined with a move action), Phantom Blood, Protection from Evil
2 Invisibility, See invisbility, FALSE LIFE, Resist Energy, Etheral Fists? (Scrolls might do)
3 Haste, Heroism, Greater Magic Fang, Fly
No idea what feats work out well but Toughness seems like a given.
Did you know psychic casters can cast in gaseous form? And that gaseous form is S, M (no V) components? Also besides the spells I noted above you really should look at etheric shards. Don't give up on spells without a V component is what I'm saying.
Did you know psychic casters can cast in gaseous form? And that gaseous form is S, M (no V) components? Also besides the spells I noted above you really should look at etheric shards. Don't give up on spells without a V component is what I'm saying.
Yeah I'm starting to see the potential of a casting focused Fractured Mind that boosts spell DCs with Rapture... seems like a strong plan for a finesse based bad touch build. quite convenient that you can also get finesse from the Hatred rapture...
Is there any convenient way to search for spells without a V component btw?
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At 4th level, an exciter can cast psychic spells with an emotion component even while in his rapture. He can cast these spells defensively and attempt concentration checks for these spells without impairment, despite being in a rapture.
He also can attempt Charisma- and Intelligence-based skill checks related to psychic spells with an emotion component while in his rapture. He cannot cast arcane or divine spells or psychic spells that have a thought component while in a rapture.
This ability replaces spiritual interference.
So they covered Emotion Components (any spell with a V listed), so I guess the question is can they use Thought Components while in Rapture?
So they covered Emotion Components (any spell with a V listed), so I guess the question is can they use Thought Components while in Rapture?At 4th level, an exciter can cast psychic spells with an emotion component even while in his rapture. He can cast these spells defensively and attempt concentration checks for these spells without impairment, despite being in a rapture.
He also can attempt Charisma- and Intelligence-based skill checks related to psychic spells with an emotion component while in his rapture. He cannot cast arcane or divine spells or psychic spells that have a thought component while in a rapture.
This ability replaces spiritual interference.
This gas been addressed above. They can not. Unless you use a metamagic Rod of Intuitive Spell as Polydactyl pointed out above.
I'm gonna try and find out which spells do not require a thought component later today.
No offense taken :)
Vice versa. From the link you provide,
If a spell's components line lists a somatic component, that spell instead requires an emotion component when cast by psychic spellcasters, and if it has a verbal component, it instead requires a thought component
Bump: anyone ever played or built an Exciter?
I've thought of taking it with a dip into CHA Dragon monk, rage to get +1's to stuff which means 2 AC, meaning free str and con. Your list has mage armor, so that's nice synergy, and the swift shield, so your AC will be great.
Even normally though, You have good spells to help you survive, so it shouldn't be much different to a bard or rogue that is also d8 with light armor.
Yeah thought about Monk for a moment but figured it's prolly easier to pick up medium armor prof or Armor Expert paired with Mithral Beastplate. With the shield bonus and Breastplate your AC will be solid I guess. You could even go for heavy Armor but that comes at the cost of fast movement.
Seems to me that the archetype really picks up steam at mid levels. 7 gets you the Aura which with dedication is super strong as well as access to heroism. 8th gets you two swift action attack in addition to your full attack routine. This is where it starts to really get going.
Before that it feels a bit like an Archaeologist Bard with less skills but slightly better defenses.
Samsaran's ability bonuses are not at all helpful, but Mystic Past Life would let you add the S only component Psychic offensive spells (Mind Thrust, Ego Whip, Id Insinuation, Psychic Crush) to your spell list if you were going to try to leverage an exciter/fractured mind combo to boost Cha and spell DCs. But I think going straight combat and incidental S spells is the better way.
If you're using Divine Fighting Technique: Desna's Shooting Star (CHA to hit/damage with starknives), the Exciter's alternate stat boost of CHA/DEX could be pretty useful.