Stacking Cover


Rules Questions


When making a ranged attack at someone where the line of effect passes through another creature they get cover, +4 to AC. That's clear.

But what if the LoE passes through multiple creatures?
i.e. The party is fighting opponents in a long corridor. The Archer is behind 2 party members and he wants to shoot the leader who is 4 places back on the enemies side.
Is this simply +4 to AC, or does it stack to the maximum of +8 for cover. Or is the GM supposed to adjudicate whether there is a possible shot regardless of the LoE rules?

Thanks


The GM sets the number. In our games it is usually the +4. We only modify it in extreme circumstances, like shooting through a crowd.


Nothing says that additional bonuses to AC are added.


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Cover bonuses do not stack with other cover bonuses. You could be shooting through one person or a hundred. The target still only enjoys a +4 to AC.

In general, bonuses with the same type do not stack unless they are dodge bonuses, racial bonuses, untyped/uncategorized bonuses, or circumstance bonuses from differing circumstances.


Ravingdork wrote:

Cover bonuses do not stack with other cover bonuses. You could be shooting through one person or a hundred. The target still only enjoys a +4 to AC.

In general, bonuses with the same type do not stack unless they are dodge bonuses, racial bonuses, untyped/uncategorized bonuses, or circumstance bonuses from differing circumstances.

While all of this is true, it is also a special situation. We all agree a person give +4 cover. We all know that 50 people between the attacker and target has to apply more cover.

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It is very typical for a DM to add more to the cover based on situations like this.


Cover bonuses still do not stack. At some point enough people will improve your cover to improved cover. Add yet more people and you could argue total cover. How many people are required - that's up to your GM.

cover wrote:

Total Cover: If you don't have line of effect to your target (that is, you cannot draw any line from your square to your target's square without crossing a solid barrier), he is considered to have total cover from you. You can't make an attack against a target that has total cover.

Improved Cover: In some cases, such as attacking a target hiding behind an arrowslit, cover may provide a greater bonus to AC and Reflex saves. In such situations, the normal cover bonuses to AC and Reflex saves can be doubled (to +8 and +4, respectively). A creature with this improved cover effectively gains improved evasion against any attack to which the Reflex save bonus applies. Furthermore, improved cover provides a +10 bonus on Stealth checks.

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Cover bonuses do not stack.

Your GM will adjudicate whether you have cover, improved cover, total cover or some value in between.


James Risner wrote:

Cover bonuses do not stack.

Your GM will adjudicate whether you have cover, improved cover, total cover or some value in between.

Agreed, so we are at a situation where technically the bonus to cover do not stack, but they change to higher numbers, as decided by the DM.


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Some value in between?

Should be "Your GM will adjudicate whether you have no cover, cover, improved cover, or total cover."

Anything else just opens up a can of worms. If a GM can break from the rules so easily, then they could just as easily have stat-enhancing belts and headbands with odd numbers.

Just. Please don't.


I really don't think there is such a thing as a "cover bonus" to be stacked. Rather, cover is a thing you can have, similar to how you can have a condition.

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Ravingdork wrote:

Some value in between?

Should be "Your GM will adjudicate whether you have no cover, cover, improved cover, or total cover."

Anything else just opens up a can of worms. If a GM can break from the rules so easily, then they could just as easily have stat-enhancing belts and headbands with odd numbers.

Just. Please don't.

I'm curious why this would cause you grief. While I doubt that the game is improved much by having a full scale range of cover bonuses, I don't see any reason that it would cause any problems either if a GM wanted to implement one as a house rule.

Odd digit stat bonus items, well I can see how the inclusion of those could be exploited, especially in a point buy game. Once again though, I think if a GM wanted to include them in the game, well then it's their choice and unlikely to break the game.

Are you just opposed in general to GMs creating custom content for their games?


Komoda wrote:
James Risner wrote:

Cover bonuses do not stack.

Your GM will adjudicate whether you have cover, improved cover, total cover or some value in between.

Agreed, so we are at a situation where technically the bonus to cover do not stack, but they change to higher numbers, as decided by the DM.

By the rules in the book there is no stacking cover. The OP seems to be asking what the rules are. We already know GM's can make up their own rules.


wraithstrike wrote:
Komoda wrote:
James Risner wrote:

Cover bonuses do not stack.

Your GM will adjudicate whether you have cover, improved cover, total cover or some value in between.

Agreed, so we are at a situation where technically the bonus to cover do not stack, but they change to higher numbers, as decided by the DM.
By the rules in the book there is no stacking cover. The OP seems to be asking what the rules are. We already know GM's can make up their own rules.

It is not making up one's own rules to have more cover. It is applying of the rules. Yes, they do not stack. But the cover bonus does change, based on what the DM feels is appropriate.

So the technical answer is no, cover does not stack. The truth is that it changes to improved cover based on how much is in the way, as determined by the DM.


Yes. I probably phrased the question badly.
I was sorting out what the rules were when going from 1 Person giving cover from a ranged attack to many people.
I have been running on the principle that the 2nd person upgrades it to Improved Cover but I'm thinking that is to harsh - although the rules do seem to leave it entirely up to the GM with very little in the way of guidelines.
Given that I'm working from that point I doubt the PC Archer will object if I move to "each additional person providing cover upgrades the cover by +1 till Improved Cover is reached. At some point beyond that the GM may rule it changes to Complete Cover on a case by case discretion"

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