What would the future look like if Pathfinder magic and monsters suddenly appeared on modern-day Earth?


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UnArcaneElection wrote:

White Wolf's Old World of Darkness had a lot of good ideas for this thread, but unfortunately some pointy-haired boss decided to terminate and reboot everything for the 3rd Edition of their stuff.

WoD was more of a "magic and monsters have been here all along" setting. It's different when they have a guiding hand in history compared to being suddenly dropped in.


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You could have the premise of this thread mixed with magic and monsters having always been here -- it's just that we just now find out . . . .


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That's pretty much the premise of the Dresden Files. XD It's just that mundane people are really good at ignoring and rationalizing things, and the supernatural world kind of doesn't want to make normal people so afraid they go to war.

Most supernatural creatures are highly confident in 1-on-1, 1-on-10, or even 1-on-100 situations. It's just that there are a few billion of us, and it's not like all of the supernatural is on their side, either. So... letting mundane people know about things is basically the nuclear option for them.


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Letting mundane people know about things could also happen without somebody intending to use a nuclear option. Suppose, for instance, that some succubus decided that she REALLY wanted her own YouTube channel . . . .


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Everybody would immediately assume it was fake, some would be impressed by the special effects while a few others would immediately claim it had poor makeup and acting?


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Rednal wrote:
Everybody would immediately assume it was fake, some would be impressed by the special effects while a few others would immediately claim it had poor makeup and acting?

Right. Prosthetics and CGI


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Actually, opposite of that, speaking of CGI reminds me of the movie Simone (includes smoke and mirrors for "live" appearances) . . . .


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The world would be consumed in a matter days by a shadow apocalypse.

Entire cities would be converted to undeath in a single night. Even high level heroes and the most powerful of dragons fall quickly to that much strength damage.


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Kaiju, being immune to ability damage/drain, death effects, disease and energy drain would make short work of those undead;)

Shadow Lodge

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I like the idea that all pathfinder players get the abilities of the character they are most emotionally attached to as part of this change.

I'd have an Eidolon.


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Snowlilly wrote:

The world would be consumed in a matter days by a shadow apocalypse.

Entire cities would be converted to undeath in a single night. Even high level heroes and the most powerful of dragons fall quickly to that much strength damage.

I don't know. Even in the current setting, you really don't see much more than a village overtaken, even when they are such a virulent plague (seriously, even high level clerics should have problems, since they can spawn from commoners too, and you only need 6 ganging up on you in a round to kill almost anyone that isn't wearing a stat belt or raging).

I am pretty sure the shadows discovered how to make shadow weed and just sit at home all day watching terrible shadow television. Just no ambition.


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lemeres wrote:
Snowlilly wrote:

The world would be consumed in a matter days by a shadow apocalypse.

Entire cities would be converted to undeath in a single night. Even high level heroes and the most powerful of dragons fall quickly to that much strength damage.

I don't know. Even in the current setting, you really don't see much more than a village overtaken, even when they are such a virulent plague (seriously, even high level clerics should have problems, since they can spawn from commoners too, and you only need 6 ganging up on you in a round to kill almost anyone that isn't wearing a stat belt or raging).

I am pretty sure the shadows discovered how to make shadow weed and just sit at home all day watching terrible shadow television. Just no ambition.

Pretty much this. Whatever's keeping the shadowpocalypse from happening in pretty much every D&D world keeps it from happening in this hypothetical too.

Otherwise the question just recurses into all the ways that any D&D setting should descend into hellish destruction or into a Tippyverse.


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Wonder how many people would try to take the Starstone Test in our world? That alone could be horrible or awesome.


Delightful wrote:
Wonder how many people would try to take the Starstone Test in our world? That alone could be horrible or awesome.

I imagine it would be similar to - including a similar success rate to - the Golarion Test'. We shouldn't have too much to worry about in that case.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Delightful wrote:
Wonder how many people would try to take the Starstone Test in our world? That alone could be horrible or awesome.
I imagine it would be similar to - including a similar success rate to - the Golarion Test'. We shouldn't have too much to worry about in that case.

The Shrine of the Lost would be a bumper franchise for statue makers though. :)


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Snowlilly wrote:

The world would be consumed in a matter days by a shadow apocalypse.

Entire cities would be converted to undeath in a single night. Even high level heroes and the most powerful of dragons fall quickly to that much strength damage.

grenades work well enough. if they figure it out, dragon breath rounds also might actually be used in combat.


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Kerney wrote:

I like the idea that all pathfinder players get the abilities of the character they are most emotionally attached to as part of this change.

I'd have an Eidolon.

does this mean i'd be a schrodinger's wizard?


Tacticslion wrote:
Delightful wrote:
Wonder how many people would try to take the Starstone Test in our world? That alone could be horrible or awesome.
I imagine it would be similar to - including a similar success rate to - the Golarion Test'. We shouldn't have too much to worry about in that case.

Think again. What if a major corporation, national intelligence agency, terrorist group, organized crime empire, theocratic organization, or some other unsavory entity got their hands on a Starstone?


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Just had another idea. Research a permanent version of the Heat Metal spell, and use those permanently heated steel rods as replacements for the fuel rods in all newly built reactors. No fission means no nuclear waste.


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^I don't think Heat Metal gets THAT hot. But it sure would be nice to have one of those rods in my apartment to save on electric bills in the winter (would need a way to turn it off and preferably reverse its function during the summer . . .).


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alternatively you could use a gate and just send all your nuclear waste to another plain. There is probably a layer of the abyss that wouldn't mind.

That might be how you get mutant demons. I don't think you want mutant demons.


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Or you could polymorph it back into usable material and recycle the same nuclear material over and over.


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PFCrB, page 294. Heat metal causes metal objects to become red hot. Wait until the rod becomes searing hot at round 3, then cast permanency to "lock" it at that temperature.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:

alternatively you could use a gate and just send all your nuclear waste to another plain. There is probably a layer of the abyss that wouldn't mind.

That might be how you get mutant demons. I don't think you want mutant demons.

Or dump the waste into a Sphere of Annihilation.


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eh I'm still leaning towards the mutant demon option.
Decanters of endless water could make a lot of peoples lifes better.
Rings of sustenance too. Most druid spells would be great to clean up natural disasters and stop illegal activities. So magic > Technology for a greener world.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
PFCrB, page 294. Heat metal causes metal objects to become red hot. Wait until the rod becomes searing hot at round 3, then cast permanency to "lock" it at that temperature.

Oops, I was going by the relatively modest amount of damage that it does to creatures in contact with the heated metal, not by the description of the incandescence (red hot sounds like it would do a LOT more damage than 2d4, at least if cast on armor).

Somebody would have to research an Improved Permanency, because Heat Metal and Chill Metal are not spells that Permanency can affect. Alternatively, make a magic item that has permanent Heat Metal (preferably also Chill Metal and a way to select which one you want), but that gets expensive, although if it lasted long enough, it could eventually pay for itself.

Problem with using magic for a better world is that it doesn't seem to lend itself very well to mass production -- it requires rare people with certain talents, and many of them aren't going to do the work out of the goodness of their hearts . . . .


It might be cheaper to research permanency-capable versions of those two spells. Of course, the GM could simply decide that Permanency affects those spells.


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Is continual flame still a thing in pathfinder or am i thinking of a previous edition? You could cast like 200 of those in a room that would generate some heat.

permanent wall of fire I think is viable too. Or summon elementals. need periodic table elementals. Although uranium elemental sounds horrific. worse then mutant demons in fact.


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Continual Flame produces light like a torch but no heat, page 260. How about a Uranium Golem? A permanent Wall of Fire could also work. Simply run the pipes that hold the water that you want to turn into steam into the wall.


Lets go with wall of fire seems safer and easier to attain. Can you imagine the cost of a uranium golem... or the weight? Is it even possible to sculpt uranium into golem form?


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John Napier 698 wrote:
It might be cheaper to research permanency-capable versions of those two spells. Of course, the GM could simply decide that Permanency affects those spells.

An expanded version of Permanency that affected a wider variety of different spells would pay for itself in short order I think. There are so many uses for permanent magic.


The last sentence in the description for Permanency suggests this as a GM action.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Can you imagine the cost of a uranium golem... or the weight? Is it even possible to sculpt uranium into golem form?

I don't know. I was simply tossing out the idea.


John Napier 698 wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Can you imagine the cost of a uranium golem... or the weight? Is it even possible to sculpt uranium into golem form?
I don't know. I was simply tossing out the idea.

sorry was just having fun thinking about it I'm imagining a CR 26 at least.


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UnArcaneElection wrote:

^I don't think Heat Metal gets THAT hot. But it sure would be nice to have one of those rods in my apartment to save on electric bills in the winter (would need a way to turn it off and preferably reverse its function during the summer . . .).

you only need a temperature of a few kelvin to make a generator use that temperature difference... besides it's hot enough to burn you, that's plenty enough heat to use.


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Wizards create infinite free energy for human convenience.

Later: Earth destroyed as the universe exceeds its stable energy density.

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