Question do both attacks have to do damage, ie one of the attacks hits but does not over come the DR
Yes, they do both need to do damage.
Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack, such as injury poison, a monk's stunning, and injury-based disease.
Would DR apply to the rend damage (assuming both attacks do damage)?
Yes. If the feat said "you get to add this damage to the second hit" it would apply to the sum, but it speaks of it as its own thing, so it loses.
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By that logic would you apply sneak attack, arcane strike, inspire courage or the like as well?
The rogue's attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.
That's the kind of "you get to add this damage to your hit" language I was referring to. You add sneak attack and regular attack together and apply DR to the sum. Ditto with the others, because they're worded similarly. Rend is the odd man out.
By that logic would you apply sneak attack, arcane strike, inspire courage or the like as well?
I think the intent is bonus damage. If it is its own attack then it is much better due to what you just mentioned.
Oh, just realized I misinterpreted Java Man. Hmm, I think I might have to apply those things, yes. Willing to be shown wrong :)
Just seems to me that if DR treats it as a separate damage source, then bonuses should also treat it as a separate source.
If it is rider damage, rather than a separate source, does this run afoul of the "no adding the same stat twice" faq?
I'll note the monster ability Rend, which the feat is trying to simulate, definitely treats the extra damage as its own attack, so it would get sneak attack damage and have DR applied against it.
Rend (Ex) If it hits with two or more natural attacks in 1 round, a creature with the rend special attack can cause tremendous damage by latching onto the opponent's body and tearing flesh. This attack deals an additional amount of damage, but no more than once per round. The type of attacks that must hit and the additional damage are included in the creature's description. The additional damage is usually equal to the damage caused by one of the attacks plus 1-1/2 the creature's Strength bonus.
Obviously that's not conclusive, since the feat =/= the monster ability, but I consider it evidence.
Okay, so what damage type is this TWR damage? Say I am wielding a +1 longsword and a silver light mace, what, if any, DR will my rend damage bypass?
Counter-question: Say the TWR damage is a rider and not a separate source. You hit a monster with a sword and a club. This monster doesn't have DR but takes only half damage from non-bludgeoning attacks. Do you cut the rider damage in half or not?
I think such issues come up whether you treat it as a rider or not. I see three ways to resolve it: (a) declare that the extra dmg is a rider to the second attack in particular, (b) declare that the extra dmg is a rider to only one of the attacks but the attacker chooses which, (c) declare that since the weapons have already gotten into the monster no DR or half-damage abilities or etc apply and it's a separate source that always gets full damage, including sneak attack, power attack, etc. Unfortunately none of those are RAW. (Personally I find (b) most elegant.)
Sounds like a decent thing to FAQ.
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I'll give it a shot, though I don't think I can hit the optimal "one short sweet question."
Is the additional damage inflicted by Two-Weapon Rend a separate attack / source of damage, to which sneak attack, power attack, damage reduction, etc apply, or is it a rider to the other two attacks?
In either case, what happens if you TWR with a sword and a club on a monster that takes half damage from non-bludgeoning weapons? Is the extra damage halved or not?
For what its worth, the Rending Claws feat in APG uses a) from Fuzzy's post above. Not the same thing, but following the pattern for consistency appeals to me.
Hm, looking at Rending Claws I realize TWR doesn't even specify whether the additional damage is multiplied on a critical hit. If so we'd have to ask which weapon's critical hit, of course. Ditto for the rend monster ability.
My link-fu is weak, but I just searched this forum for "rend power" a few posts down the first hit there is a commemt from James Jacobs, not the rule dude, but whatever, on the topic of monster rend and power attack. His take there is that rend is rider damage, mot bossted by PA or smeak or the like. No specific mention of crits.
In the absence of a solid dev comment, or FAQ, I think treating all rend type attacks as the rending claws feat is liikely easiest and fair.
But JJ also wants to apply DR to the rend anyway, so I'm ignoring him on this one, 'cause that's fundamentally contradictory.
Agreed that treating everything as rending claws is easy and fair, though I don't think it's mandatory.
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Two Weapon Rend: Is the extra damage done by this feat considered an attack of its own (in which case Damage Reduction and other damage bonuses such as Inspire Courage would apply separately), or is it damage in addition the weapon attacks which triggered it (in either case, how do you determine what damage type it is)?
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There is sufficient evidence that I believe to support that rend counts fully as its own attack that simply auto hits. However if I remember correctly there are some stuff out there that says two weapon rend does not function the same as the rend monster ability. Long story short is expect table variation as the devs don't even seem to agree on this topic