Any way to use the ability score modifier to wands and scrolls DC?


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Scarab Sages

Hi all,
i'm going to play a full caster bard (I know that you're thinking "bards can't be full casters, they need other options" but that's not the point, i'm going to play it anyway :P ) and i noticed that, compared to other spellcasters, he doesn't have too many spells per day, so, if i want to be useful during fights insted of just mantaining the performance and a cast a spell every few rounds, i should buy a few wands to be more useful without wasting all my slots on the fist encounter.
The problem is that wands/scrolls spells DC, duration and effects are so low to be as near as useless.

The only feat i can remember is the "staff-like wand" arcane discovery, but as a bard i don't meet the requirements, so i'm looking for something similiar.

Staff-like Wand:
Similar to using a magic staff, you use your own Intelligence score and relevant feats to set the DC for saves against spells you cast from a wand, and you can use your caster level when activating the power of a wand if it’s higher than the caster level of the wand.

I know that there are the staves, but they are too expensive for now and they require a downtime period to recharge , so they are not an option for me.
I considered the ring(s) of wizardry too, not a bad option at all.

So, the problem in other words is that i'd like to have more spells per day, and having a few wands with a decend DC would help a lot.
Unfortunately i don't think it would be possible, so i'm here to listen to your advices.

thank you and sorry for my english :)


Have you considered playing an Evangelist cleric?

They get the bardic performance that you're probably after.

Ultimately, you could consider using scrolls and wands for buff spells, and using your actual spell slots only for offensive spells to keep the DCs high.

Since bards are spontaneous casters, it's also very useful to have a Mnemonic Vestment and good collection of scrolls.

Personally, I've always felt bards were better at being buffing spell casters (and therefor don't care about DCs) then they are at being an offensive caster.


The Magician archetype is designed for this.

PRD wrote:
Wand Mastery (Ex): At 10th level, when a magician uses a wand containing a spell on his spell list, he uses his Charisma bonus to set the wand's save DC. At 16th level, when using such a wand, he uses his caster level in place of the wand's caster level. This ability replaces jack of all trades.

More importantly for a "caster bard" is the ability to poach spells known from any other arcane spell list. The extra spell per day from your bonded item is also nice.

It stacks with Sound Striker.

Scarab Sages

Claxon wrote:

Have you considered playing an Evangelist cleric?

They get the bardic performance that you're probably after.

Ultimately, you could consider using scrolls and wands for buff spells, and using your actual spell slots only for offensive spells to keep the DCs high.

Since bards are spontaneous casters, it's also very useful to have a Mnemonic Vestment and good collection of scrolls.

Personally, I've always felt bards were better at being buffing spell casters (and therefor don't care about DCs) then they are at being an offensive caster.

Unfortunately i have to play the bard not only for the performances, but because there isn't neither a party face and someone with the knowledges.

Yes, of course i considered using scrolls and wands for buff only, but having more options is always better :P
Thank you!

Gisher wrote:

The Magician archetype is designed for this.

PRD wrote:
Wand Mastery (Ex): At 10th level, when a magician uses a wand containing a spell on his spell list, he uses his Charisma bonus to set the wand's save DC. At 16th level, when using such a wand, he uses his caster level in place of the wand's caster level. This ability replaces jack of all trades.

More importantly for a "caster bard" is the ability to poach spells known from any other arcane spell list. The extra spell per day from your bonded item is also nice.

It stacks with Sound Striker.

The 10th level ability would be perfect! But the rest of the archetype doesn't fit the initial role i wanted to cover in the party. It doesn't have inspire courage (and i do need it with 3 melee characters and one archer), lore master and versatile performance.

I can say he's not even a bard anymore! lol I could play a wizard and it would fit the same role better.
thank you anyway!


The Cyphermage prestige class doesn't advance bardic abilities aside from spell casting, but it does give the option of using your own caster level, ability score etc with scrolls a few times a day.

Scarab Sages

avr wrote:
The Cyphermage prestige class doesn't advance bardic abilities aside from spell casting, but it does give the option of using your own caster level, ability score etc with scrolls a few times a day.

thank you for the advice! By the way i can't lose too many bard levels and 1/3 of your Cyphermage level a day is not enough if i want to use the scrolls as a filler between the important actions :/

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