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Giant form II lets you be large and have regen 5. Giant form II lets you be huge and have regen 5.
I see many large trolls with regen 5, and some huge trolls with regen 10. I don't see any huge trolls with regen 5.
So if I use giant form ii for a huge troll with regen 10, what happens? Do I get 5 of that regen 10?
Teeeeeeeeechnically, if the giant you assume the form of has regeneration 10, you don't get it. But ANY GM that tries to enforce that is being a jerk, and should give you regen 5.
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Teeeeeeeeechnically, if the giant you assume the form of has regeneration 10, you don't get it.
Do you have a RAW quote justifying your assertion above?
I only ask because if someone has $10, then both of the statements, "They have $10," and "They have $5," are true. So certainly a RAW interpretation could be that if you have regen 10, you also have regen for values less than 10.
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It works like fly 30 when assuming a speed 100 flying creature, you get 30.
Assuming a regen 10 with regen 5, gives you regen 5.
That's how I've always understood it.
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Teeeeeeeeechnically, if the giant you assume the form of has regeneration 10, you don't get it. But ANY GM that tries to enforce that is being a jerk, and should give you regen 5.
This is completely contrary to the rules.
In addition, each polymorph spell can grant you a number of other benefits, including movement types, resistances, and senses. If the form you choose grants these benefits, or a greater ability of the same type, you gain the listed benefit. If the form grants a lesser ability of the same type, you gain the lesser ability instead.
IOW: If the form has Regen 10 and the spell limits you to Regen 5 you get Regen 5.
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I can objectively show that the form you have assumed does not have the listed quality regeneration 5 by simply stating that 5 =/= 10, and the spell says "the following abilities", which in this case is regeneration 5.
This is pickiness and technicality on a grand scale.
There's an FAQ about prestige class prerequisites which partly touches on this, by noting, as you did, that (for example) BAB +6 necessarily includes BAB +5, however that rule isn't generalised, and the text of the spell could have been written to say something along the lines of "If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability, or the version listed here (if a weaker version of the same ability):".
So, yes, I can show that teeeeeeeeechnically regeneration 10 isn't regeneration 5, and since FAQs apply to what they apply to and nothing more unless a general case is presented, the FAQ allowing inclusive prerequisites doesn't apply since this is a spell and not a prestige class...
But it's pretty clear that RAI is to allow it, so, as I said, it's a jerk move to try and enforce that technicality.
I can objectively show that the form you have assumed does not have the listed quality regeneration 5 by simply stating that 5 =/= 10, and the spell says "the following abilities", which in this case is regeneration 5.
This is pickiness and technicality on a grand scale.
This is how we end up with discussions on 10' jumps and 5' steps running into the hundreds of posts.
The spell already says "if the form you choose grants these benefits, or a greater ability of the same type, you gain the listed effect."
It's not even limited to RAI. RAW, if they have Regeneration 10, you gain Regeneration 5. 10 is greater than 5; this is basic math and not up for debate. Any GM that attempts to rule otherwise and say Regeneration 10 is somehow not greater than Regeneration 5 clearly has it out for you.
Another question on giant form: It says you get regeneration 5. Trolls have regeneration 5 (acid or fire). Do you get unbreakable regeneration 5? Or is it the same type of regeneration 5 (acid or fire)?