I am finally getting to play a Summoner! And I was wondering if there are other ways to summon my eidolon faster. The whole one minutes thing is not helpful at all. I playing a Spiritualist I have figured out how crippling it can be in combat. Poor ghosty never gets to come out and play.
My summoner is rather pathetic at her current level while the eidolon actually looks like a player character do to some really bad rolls for my poor little summoner. So she needs help and if I am limited to the one minute summoning of the eidolon I am left with summons which I am trying to avoid doing to often as per request.
There's the summon eidolon spell. 2nd level. 1 round cast. Lasts 1 minute/level.
Elf FCB reduces by a round down to 1 round.
Rysky currently I have the eidolon out but I am not always going to have that option. Currently she has, for story reasons, told no one that she has a eidolon. So pending the situation the eidolon might be out but hidden or not on this plane.
Serghar Cromwell I am only a paltry level one but that is going to be a spell I will be picking later.
Chess Pawn I am a changeling. I probably should have mentioned that.
And, if you plan to avoid monster summoning I would consider an archetype that trades it out. Spirit summoner looks pretty cool to me.
I still want to have it to fall back on if I need to. One of our front liners just got taken out and may die. Summoning is useful in that regard. I just wanted to know if there is a way to summon my eidolon faster. I will get the spell summon eidolon since that has some utility.
For the most part I am planning to having the eidolon be a scout not a melee combatant, unless truly needed.
I still want to have it to fall back on if I need to. One of our front liners just got taken out and may die. Summoning is useful in that regard. I just wanted to know if there is a way to summon my eidolon faster. I will get the spell summon eidolon since that has some utility.
For the most part I am planning to having the eidolon be a scout not a melee combatant, unless truly needed.
Take the favored trait for elves and in 10 levels you'll be summonig your eidolon as a standard action.
I cannot do any of the elf stuff sadly.
You can if you have room to take Racial Heritage (elf).
Somehow, I don't think "Currently she has, for story reasons, told no one that she has a eidolon." will be true after ten levels.
On the original topic, I don't want to sound hostile... but if you are not using your two main class abilities, why exactly are you a summoner? And why don't you just tell your party you have an eidolon? You think you can fool them for mor than a session or two? People tend to notice when you summon the exact same outsider with a glowing rune on his body matching one on your forhead all the time.
Ask the GM what exactly is supposed to be so bad about a single summoned creature that you are asked not to use it, while apparently your way stronger eidolon would be ok? A single (!) summoned creatures should not produce any problems.
I am aware that after some time the group is going to know that she has the eidolon. I am going to be using the eidolon a lot, though mostly as a scout. The eidolon takes 1 whole minute to summons while summon monster is much less time so it will seem odd anyways. I assume they will know way before level 10.
The request concerning the summoned monsters was that i not flood the field with summons unless the situation is dire. The GM has not preference one way or the other to my knowledge. We have a few front liners and I am not wanting to overshadow them by flooding the field. At my low level that is not a big concern. Late levels it might be when my summons are far more impressive and numerous.
As for why she is not telling anyone about the eidolon immediately. She does not know the group or trust them yet. We have just met. The eidolon is in hiding for story reason and does not want to be known about currently. It is purely fluff reasons that I have not told them in game and the group is completely fine with it.
I have never had the chance to play a summoner and I wanted to. That is why I am playing one. But I want to ensure that I am not over shadowing anyone. The other players are doing the same.
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The Eidolon is a much bigger part of the character and is something that takes the place of an Animal Companion that other classes would have. A one minute casting time to summon it is small potatoes since it does not have a set duration (unless the character is knocked out) before it winks out.
Summon Eidolon works as an emergency to get the Eidolon out right away, and will free up the summoner to be able to use his summons class ability (which is a standard instead of a full round of casting) if he doesn't perform the normal ritual to summon the Eidolon right away.
Also keep in mind, the Summoner did go beyond what the developers intended to do with it. Having PFS go to the Unchained Summoner, with the APG version being the only class outright banned in favor of the new rewritten one, tells me that the class was not very player friendly and seems difficult to "get right" when making the character.
The request concerning the summoned monsters was that i not flood the field with summons unless the situation is dire.
Well, you don't have to. Just stick to a single summon from the highest list (and don't use your spells to summon) and there shouldn't be any problem.
As for why she is not telling anyone about the eidolon immediately. She does not know the group or trust them yet. We have just met.
Which is excactly the situation I would want my strongest class feature to be active, but hey, it's your character that dies because the Eidolon wasn't there to protect her. :-p
I have never had the chance to play a summoner and I wanted to. That is why I am playing one. But I want to ensure that I am not over shadowing anyone. The other players are doing the same.
That is a sensitive thing to do, a well build Eidolon can easily overshadow most martials. That does not mean that you can't use your eidolon, however. At level 4, you get your signature spell, Haste, which goes a long way towards making the other party members feel good.
Having PFS go to the Unchained Summoner, with the APG version being the only class outright banned in favor of the new rewritten one, tells me that the class was not very player friendly and seems difficult to "get right" when making the character.
I think the problem was the opposite: the class was tooplayer friendly. It's rediulously easy to build an eidolon that outshines all but the most well build martials; and there aren't really many spells on the spell list that sound good but are crap (i.e. no blasts and very few SoS spells).
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It was unfriendly in the fact that most builds being used in the first year was an incorrect use of the building rules. It is still, after several FAQ's and readings, not used correctly by new players.
The first thing that confuses most players is that most of the Evolutions can only be taken once, yet it is not clear within the entries themselves that this is so.
my eidolon is not going to be inactive. Currently said eidolon is playing lookout for the group, without them knowing it. So it is there but involved in a different sense.
Building an eidolon that outshines the marital's is exactly what i want to avoid.
I was simply curious if there was a way to summon my eidolon faster should i happen to not have it out. I cannot go with the elf heritage so that does not apply and there is that nifty level 2 spell for later.
Just use a wand of Summon Eidolon. It's on your spell list so you don't even need UMD. Granted, the duration is short, but if it's an emergency by the time you start worrying about duration the need should be over.
Or you can quicken Summon Eidolon once you hit the right level. Though I find that rather costly. If I need my Eidolon out fast I use my SLA to summon a distraction (remember summons get to act on the round they are summoned), then use a wand or cast Summon Eidolon. It does not interfere with the summons you already have out because it's the spell rather than the ritual. Though that interaction itself can be used for some nasty effects.
Just use a wand of Summon Eidolon.
That's 6000 gold...
Elf FCB reduces by a round down to 1 round.WHAT SORCERY IS THIS? A ROUND DOWN TO A MERE ROUND? TIS BROKEN ME THINKS
You have to put in ten levels of your favored class trait to achieve this though.
Just use a wand of Summon Eidolon.That's 6000 gold...
Or a scroll?
You have to put in ten levels of your favored class trait to achieve this though.Elf FCB reduces by a round down to 1 round.WHAT SORCERY IS THIS? A ROUND DOWN TO A MERE ROUND? TIS BROKEN ME THINKS
Isn't it actually only 9 levels needed?
1 minute = 10 rounds
10 rounds - 9 rounds = 1 round summoning time. Putting it in a 10th time when the minimum is 1 round would be a waste, right?
@Delenot: How much money for 200gp scrolls do you have at first level? Such a scroll is not a bad idea to have (put it under your pillow every night in case you get ambushed after a long day of spending all your spells). but not really feasible at low level.
@Ravingdork: Yes, it's actually 9 levels. Zomg OP! ;-)
@Delenot: How much money for 200gp scrolls do you have at first level? Such a scroll is not a bad idea to have (put it under your pillow every night in case you get ambushed after a long day of spending all your spells). but not really feasible at low level.
@Ravingdork: Yes, it's actually 9 levels. Zomg OP! ;-)
I missed the first level part. Unless you find something for free, I wouldn't bother even looking for a way to reduce the casting time.