There is. How much of the populace is considered "centrist" is another matter.
In response toThat isn't what I said at all.I did no such thing.You compared Jill Stein to Trump in terms of danger. The fact that you think these are remotely close is staggering.
your first response isSo who on the left is "just as dangerous and scary"?
Are they anywhere near as prominent as their equivalents on the right?
Jill Stein, well, that's not really fair, she's more a left-wing flavored version of Trump with worse branding.
Its exactly what you did.
It's amazing how you have confused a comma for a a period and then ignored the entire rest of the sentence.
Your clarification compared her to Trump with bad branding. Trump is actively courting white supremacists. If he doesn't qualify as part of the crazy right, I don't know what does.
...there seems do be a much higher left wing demographic amongst gaming communities as a whole than right wing, Just from watching different forums and etc. I wonder why that is? "goes back to further contemplating it."
Gamers as a group also have high IQs...which I'm sure is nothing more than coincidental correlation. *cough*
I find that hard to believe with some I've met.
...there seems do be a much higher left wing demographic amongst gaming communities as a whole than right wing, Just from watching different forums and etc. I wonder why that is? "goes back to further contemplating it."Gamers as a group also have high IQs...which I'm sure is nothing more than coincidental correlation. *cough*
Lol, that stereotype
Lol, that stereotype...there seems do be a much higher left wing demographic amongst gaming communities as a whole than right wing, Just from watching different forums and etc. I wonder why that is? "goes back to further contemplating it."Gamers as a group also have high IQs...which I'm sure is nothing more than coincidental correlation. *cough*
Have you ever been with people whom take 10 minutes to roll one d20, no modifier? I can name a few.
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There is. How much of the populace is considered "centrist" is another matter.
What has been the last leftist push for something crazy?
You cannot just pick the middle ground between two opposing ideas That is incredibly lazy thinking. Just because two people are fighting doesn't mean that they're both bad or wrong: thats the sort of nonsense that get's kids detention for being punched.
The problem is the right. They are anti science, anti reason, anti fact and anti sense. You cannot have a serious political discussion with someone about what should be when they can't figure out what is.
Their only goal is to hand people who hand them money goverment services and tax breaks while at the same time decrying the same happening to people who actually NEED government services.
"Give all the money and services to the rich" isn't a very popular platform so it has to be dressed up as "Freedom". Not everyone falls for that, so they have a coalition of racist demagogues, people that want their form of Christianity to be the de facto law of the land,
There is no leftist problem, the problem is that there is no left.
I think it's amusing that people doubt that, AS A GROUP, gamers have higher than average IQs. It's blatantly obvious to me that this is the case, despite some (unsurprising) exceptions.
But hey, believe what you like. :P
There is. How much of the populace is considered "centrist" is another matter.What has been the last leftist push for something crazy?
You cannot just pick the middle ground between two opposing ideas That is incredibly lazy thinking. Just because two people are fighting doesn't mean that they're both bad or wrong: thats the sort of nonsense that get's kids detention for being punched.
The problem is the right. They are anti science, anti reason, anti fact and anti sense. You cannot have a serious political discussion with someone about what should be when they can't figure out what is.
Their only goal is to hand people who hand them money goverment services and tax breaks while at the same time decrying the same happening to people who actually NEED government services.
"Give all the money and services to the rich" isn't a very popular platform so it has to be dressed up as "Freedom". Not everyone falls for that, so they have a coalition of racist demagogues, people that want their form of Christianity to be the de facto law of the land,
There is no leftist problem, the problem is that there is no left.
I wonder how many times this sort of thing has been repeated in this thread, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I think it's amusing that people doubt that, AS A GROUP, gamers have higher than average IQs. It's blatantly obvious to me, despite some (unsurprising) exceptions.
But hey, believe what you like. :P
What genre? Findings vary.
There is. How much of the populace is considered "centrist" is another matter.What has been the last leftist push for something crazy?
You cannot just pick the middle ground between two opposing ideas That is incredibly lazy thinking. Just because two people are fighting doesn't mean that they're both bad or wrong: thats the sort of nonsense that get's kids detention for being punched.
The problem is the right. They are anti science, anti reason, anti fact and anti sense. You cannot have a serious political discussion with someone about what should be when they can't figure out what is.
Their only goal is to hand people who hand them money goverment services and tax breaks while at the same time decrying the same happening to people who actually NEED government services.
"Give all the money and services to the rich" isn't a very popular platform so it has to be dressed up as "Freedom". Not everyone falls for that, so they have a coalition of racist demagogues, people that want their form of Christianity to be the de facto law of the land,
There is no leftist problem, the problem is that there is no left.
I could just as easily Google several political standings for the left that are anti many of those points you just stated so I can't exactly say I agree.
I think it's amusing that people doubt that, AS A GROUP, gamers have higher than average IQs. It's blatantly obvious to me, despite some obvious exceptions.
But hey, believe what you like. :P
Well for one all the online kids whose entire vocabulary tends to be obscenities and then the adults enjoying "tea bagging" opponents are a part of that community just to play devils advocate here.
I meant pen&paper, I have to do math RPGs, not video games. Sorry to be unclear.
As well, are we talking:
High IQ; Can't tie own shoes
or....
High IQ; Master mathematician?
Not mutually exclusive...
That thought came to mind.
I could just as easily Google several political standings for the left that are anti many of those points you just stated so I can't exactly say I agree.
1)That have actually made it into policy pushes, not just one leftwing nut on the internet calling for making pet ownership illegal?
2) That are as counterfactual as anthropocentric climate change denial, evolution denial, or trickle down economics?
3) The anti vaccine thing is one of those things where it's under the plane, you walk far enough out to the left or right and that's where you wind up.
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I wonder how many times this sort of thing has been repeated in this thread, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
47. And we're going to keep pointing that pile of horsefeathers out until people stop trying to pass it off as wisdom
I could just as easily Google several political standings for the left that are anti many of those points you just stated so I can't exactly say I agree.1)That have actually made it into policy pushes, not just one leftwing nut on the internet calling for making pet ownership illegal?
2) That are as counterfactual as anthropocentric climate change denial, evolution denial, or trickle down economics?
3) The anti vaccine thing is one of those things where it's under the plane, you walk far enough out to the left or right and that's where you wind up.
Anti-Vax and Anti-GMO are the only 2 things I can think of that even remotely compare and both of those are routinely denounced by others on the left and are almost equal in their support between left and right.
I think Michael Kimmel's Angry White Men sums up Trump's voter base pretty well:
"But first we have to understand that anger, get inside it. For one thing, it’s an anger that knows no class nor originates in a specific class. Whether we’re talking about the white working class—shorn of union protection, stripped of manufacturing jobs that once provided a modicum of dignity with a paycheck, not to mention the hale-and-hearty camaraderie of the shop floor, they’ve watched as “their” jobs disappeared with the closing of the factory gates. Or the lower middle class, that wide swath of small farmers, independent shopkeepers, independent craft workers—plumbers, electricians, contractors—and small businessmen whose livelihoods have been steadily eroded, as the farm crisis of the 1990s consolidated independent farmers into wage workers for agribusiness, as Walmart put local grocery and other retail stores out of business. Even upper-middle-class men, even those with jobs and pensions and health plans, feel ripped off—by affirmative action programs, immigration, welfare, taxation, and the general sense that they’re being had.
What unites all these groups is not just the fact that they are men. What unites them is their belief in a certain ideal of masculinity. It is not just their livelihoods that are threatened, but their sense of themselves as men. Faludi observed in Stiffed that American men have lost “a useful role in public life, a way of earning a decent and reliable living, appreciation in the home, respectful treatment in the culture.”3 They’re feeling emasculated—humiliated. The promise of economic freedom, of boundless opportunity, of unlimited upward mobility, was what they believed was the terra firma of American masculinity, the ground on which American men have stood for generations. Today, it feels like a carpet being snatched from under their feet." (Kimmel, 2013)
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The problem is the right. They are anti science, anti reason, anti fact and anti sense. You cannot have a serious political discussion with someone about what should be when they can't figure out what is.
While I don't disagree with the anti science sentiment because most right wingers are rooted in their religions, I think we can both agree the antireason, fact and sense rant tagged on the end is not only generalized but just as applicable to many of the more left wing backers too. For example many being anti death but pro abortion or pro womens rights while pro religious rights that are fanatically anti womens rights just to name a couple vague stances, neither extremes of left or right are perfect in any way tbo.
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While I don't disagree with the anti science sentiment because most right wingers are rooted in their religions, I think we can both agree the antireason, fact and sense rant tagged on the end is not only generalized but just as applicable to many of the more left wing backers too.
No. We can't.
I don't agree with you because you're having a lot of trouble giving examples.
You shouldn't agree with you if you're having this much trouble giving examples either.
For example many being anti death but pro abortion
This is, at most, a philosophical inconsistency, not a scientific one. There are many rationales for arriving at either position that may or may not create cognative dissonance between the two ideas.
pro womens rights while pro religious rights that are fanatically anti womens rights just to name a couple vague stances
That one i do like to poke fun at, but again, it's a philosophical bit of cognitive dissonance, not anti science.
neither extremes of left or right are perfect in any way tbo.
I think perfect looks far left of what democrats can get elected in our buyer take all system.
Agreed BNW. Democrats are far to right of center.
I'm not even sure what that one is. Is it the "Liberals want to help Islam impose Sharia Law" nonsense?
The left is tolerant of islam and intolerant of cultural mores that oppress women.
many forms of Islam come with a lot of cultural mores that oppress women far more than western society.
But again, most of that is an "ought" problem. Republicans have "is" problems.
While I don't disagree with the anti science sentiment because most right wingers are rooted in their religions, I think we can both agree the antireason, fact and sense rant tagged on the end is not only generalized but just as applicable to many of the more left wing backers too. For example many being anti death but pro abortion or pro womens rights while pro religious rights that are fanatically anti womens rights just to name a couple vague stances, neither extremes of left or right are perfect in any way tbo.
The problem is the right. They are anti science, anti reason, anti fact and anti sense. You cannot have a serious political discussion with someone about what should be when they can't figure out what is.
You'll never win here, it is like pulling teeth, that's why I don't really try. Just make fun of them in the background.
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You'll never win here, it is like pulling teeth, that's why I don't really try. Just make fun of them in the background.While I don't disagree with the anti science sentiment because most right wingers are rooted in their religions, I think we can both agree the antireason, fact and sense rant tagged on the end is not only generalized but just as applicable to many of the more left wing backers too. For example many being anti death but pro abortion or pro womens rights while pro religious rights that are fanatically anti womens rights just to name a couple vague stances, neither extremes of left or right are perfect in any way tbo.
The problem is the right. They are anti science, anti reason, anti fact and anti sense. You cannot have a serious political discussion with someone about what should be when they can't figure out what is.
I would enjoy a separate thread concerning the self-contradictory values of the left.
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You'll never win here, it is like pulling teeth, that's why I don't really try. Just make fun of them in the background.
Front center stage with the spotlight on carrying sparklers and a hula skirt is not the background.
Lol sorry, its difficult to convey complex arguments while in 95 traffic driving home. What I was disputing was that you couldn’t, honestly, simply point a finger at any particular group and label it without sense or reason. Reason and sense are strongly influenced by opinion; internal values, social norms and taboos just to name a few. Trying to scientifically factualize an “absolute sensibility” and thus discredit all other variations is impossible because it’s an abstract concept of self-identity.
For example:
* It’s been completely sensible for someone to commit suicide because they dishonored their family.
*It may be completely reasonable to you to slow down when merging onto the interstate whilst another may think speeding up to match the traffic makes just as much sense.
*It was completely reasonable for entire cultures to simply kill someone and take what they wanted.
I hope this better clarifies my initial argument.
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Lol sorry, its difficult to convey complex arguments while in 95 traffic driving home. What I was disputing was that you couldn’t, honestly, simply point a finger at any particular group and label it without sense or reason.
Yes. yes you can.
Global warming is real. Humans are a significant contributing factor.
Evolution is true
Trickledown economics doesn't trickle down
Gays do not the collapse of traditional marriage and families . Or cause Hurricanes
The amount of in person voter fraud is somewhere between insignificant and barely existent.
These are all facts. These are all things that republican policy denies.(except the hurricane part, although that isn't as nearly as lunatic fringe as it should be...)
Reason and sense are strongly influenced by opinion; internal values, social norms and taboos just to name a few. Trying to scientifically factualize an “absolute sensibility” and thus discredit all other variations is impossible because it’s an abstract concept of self-identity.
Your problem is not your arguments clarity but that it is at odds with reality. Republicans do not form their policy opinion based on facts they form their facts based on opinion and they do it wholesale. Pointing out what could be a slight philosophical problem is not remotely the same as needing to invent your starting point.
Your point is not complex. "Both are wrong" is a true statement only if you leave out the degree to which they are wrong and the kinds of errors their making (or simply propagating for their own benefit). It is neither binary nor must they be equal: the republicans are worse by orders of magnitude.
There is a vast difference between seeing bambi as a metaphor for the lost of childhood innocence and seeing it as that movie where giant robots fought each other with laser chainsaws. One might be a wrong but understandable interpretation of reality and the other is crazy enough to be the material component for a fireball spell.
What I was disputing was that you couldn’t, honestly, simply point a finger at any particular group and label it without sense or reason.
The strawman you're trying to pull apart here is still closer to the truth than your preferred false equivalency that both sides of the political aisle are equally senseless.
You forgot Chelsea Handler's opinion Red. ;)
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I didn't forget. XD I just don't link everything - TL;DR can be a thing, after all.
Mmm Okay Red. :)
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I think it's amusing that people doubt that, AS A GROUP, gamers have higher than average IQs. It's blatantly obvious to me that this is the case, despite some (unsurprising) exceptions.
But hey, believe what you like. :P
I don't know about IQ (there was a lot of RPGs in college, but then I've heard that there's a fair amount of D&D in prisons, too, and after going to college, I was unpleasantly surprised to find out that it wasn't all 'smart kids' who got to go to college...), but there might be a correlation between RPGs and creativity, or RPGs and certain sorts of socialization (the sort that ends up with people who are less likely to be in team sports or pep squad, but are willing to fly their geek flag and don't care as much about fitting in).
But that goes in all directions, politically, I suspect. Whacky conspiracy theorists also embrace unpopular positions and row against the current (and are publically shunned by the 'cool kids,' except when the cool kids need them for something, like doing their homework, or rallying their whacky supporters, and are willing to hold their nose and use them, like Kleenex, before tossing them aside and pretending not to have done so), and 'creativity' and 'imagination' certainly seems to be a quality possessed in spades by people who make up their own facts. :)
Lol sorry, its difficult to convey complex arguments while in 95 traffic driving home.
Please be very very careful.
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Delving into specific problems on any religion in this thread will just lead to trouble (and more work for the Mods). If you want to dissect a religion civilly, we already have an open thread for that.
*hands pillbug a copy of the Book of the Damned* Have you heard the words of our Lord and Undying Master, Orcus?
I like this article tearing apart the AP
The State Department is a big operation. So is the Clinton Foundation. The AP put a lot of work into this project. And it couldn’t come up with anything that looks worse than helping a Nobel Prize winner, raising money to finance AIDS education, and doing an introduction for the chair of the Kennedy Center. It’s kind of surprising.
I'm pretty sure you'll find someone in the Fox News crowd to find reasons to deem it a capital offense.
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I think it's amusing that people doubt that, AS A GROUP, gamers have higher than average IQs. It's blatantly obvious to me that this is the case, despite some (unsurprising) exceptions.
But hey, believe what you like. :P
Actually I think it's more accurate that gamers THINK they have higher than average IQ's. It's been my experience that gamers are just another group of highly opinionated fandom that are just as prone to irrational close-mindedness and fanaticism about their beliefs as any other group. They're also not immune to being prejudiced, racist, or misognynist. And I have met many more right-winged gamers than progressives, (I imagine it's because progressives are more likely to think that they've got better things to do than gaming.) The fact that GamerGate is a thing, proves just how "ordinary" gamers are.
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Somehow we're now confusing a higher IQ with a lack of douche-baggery. Trust me, the two are NOT the same. As it happens, I've also observed RPG gamers AS A GROUP to be more socially awkward than average. Unsurprisingly, there's no study to back that one up, either (though for some reason it seems to be much less controversial =P).
Besides, what does IQ matter, anyway? I'm a card-carrying Mensan, and I'd much, MUCH rather be handsome. It seems eminently more useful.
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Somehow we're now confusing a higher IQ with a lack of douche-baggery. Trust me, the two are NOT the same.
BTW, I've also observed gamers AS A GROUP to be more socially awkward than average. Unsurprisingly, there's no study to back that one up, either.
What does gamers "as a group" even mean? Are we lumping up competitive Starcraft players with COD kiddies? Heck, are we lumping up competitive Starcraft players with people who only play Clash of Clans on their iPhones?