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Oh he can do wrong. He done plenty wrong. He can also do right. Awesome right.

uh-huh.

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I saw it at a matinee today. I was pleasantly surprised, and I went in with fairly low expectations. I really enjoyed it. While there were certainly some complaints I have, I overall feel positive about it. YMMV.

Will try not to spoil anything; some thoughts:

- It is a zillion times more coherent and hopeful than Batman v Superman. I know that isn't saying much. BUT. While reviews said the plot was "sloppy," I was following along just fine. I actually thought they brought all the threads together well, and gave everyone some good screentime while not making you feel like you were watching three different movies at once. And it is really nowhere NEAR as grimdark at all as BvS. It starts off, understandably, in a very dark place but it builds up from there rather than gets mired in it.

- They in fact sledgehammer you with the fact that the theme of the movie is "hope." But in the end they deliver on that.

- Wonder Woman is great in it, and of course I have a high bar for her. She brings copious badassery and warmth. There were a few nitpicks I had with some moments with her, but overall I thought they worked with her well and I liked where she ended up.

- Batman was WAY more actually, you know, BATMAN in this movie than in the previous one. He is much less GRR ARMOR GUNS and more smart incisive but dark detective guy trying to save the world.

- Barry Allen was a good blend of funny/smart/nerdy. They really used him well. He was very much "not the warrior guy" but used the skills he had to great effect. I loved, at a time in entertainment where we see waaaaay too many reluctant heroes be ready to be the first one to say, "sign me up" while also having normal, understandable reservations. A lot of people have said they like Grant Gustin's Flash better, but I actually really liked this guy more--the TV Flash has a lot of annoying self-pity this Barry nicely lacked.

- Aquaman was sort of like the fun loving heavy metal dude and it worked. Actually, I think it was the most I ever liked Aquaman. Also they tie the Atlanteans (and the Amazons) into the background of the plot.

- Cyborg's story I liked, and he was tied into the plot in really interesting way--that also totally made sense. I don't get why several reviews said he was sidelined--he's actually pretty crucial to the plot and gets a lot of time spent on him. I think it's that he's very much a subdued personality--guy is trying to cope with becoming what he is so he is very understandably withdrawn, and next to some of the more shiny personalities he can seem to fade, but he held his own, I thought.

- I liked that while we had three supergenius characters (Bruce, Barry, Cyborg), they were very different kinds of supergeniuses with different areas of expertise that complimented each other well.

- Uh... other heroes that may show up I thought were also handled very well and ones that may or may not have appeared in this 'verse before also were the best versions of themselves so far.

- The Amazons' scene was cool; had some sad moments, but was cool.

- The enemy was big shouty "I'm gonna bring the end of the world" type of enemy all the cool kids are fighting these days. He's rather two dimensional, but he sets the stage for much larger stuff to come very well. He's fine. He's less a character with depth and more the catalyst that brings everyone together, and that's fine for this movie. The inevitable final fight was cool and had some good stakes.

- The only complaint I'll share right now is just that as usual, this universe's Lois is a little disappointing and underused. This is not Amy Adams' fault. She's mostly there to be sad and to be ladyfriend support. But she's never been used well in this universe and so it was simply par for the course, totally expected. I did like an early scene she has with Martha.

- No Marthas were endangered in the making of this film.

- My reaction to the end-credits scene was "AW F*@* YEEESSSSSSSS."

I am not a fan of Snyder and have very mixed feelings about Whedon and frankly went in expecting a great deal less. It looks like Snyder can at least to some extent learn from his mistakes.

Now, I'm sure there are people who will nitpick the HELL out of this or be outraged their favorite dude wasn't portrayed the way they liked or will find what I'm sure are numerous plotholes. For now I'm content to say: it was decent and I had fun. Between Wonder Woman and this, I feel much better about where the DCEU was going, than when we were going off of BvS and Suicide Squad. There may still be some trainwrecks (Joss is the WRONG dude to be on Batgirl), but I feel better today about the DCEU than I did yesterday.


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DeathQuaker wrote:
- No Marthas were endangered in the making of this film.

That's a good sign at least.

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I too saw it as a matinee today, and agree with all of DeathQuaker’s points.

Especially the notes about (hero who will not be named and definitely doesn’t have a mustache). He was such a pleasant change from the previous depiction(s).

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I liked the film but their were issues. I agree with the heroes in the film feeling like the characters from the comics. The humor in the film helped me to overcome the cgi and plot issues.

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I liked it well enough. It is nowhere close to the miracle WB probably needs at this point (although I begin to think they could do the best movie since Godfather 2 with a new technology that creates goldcoins in the audiences pockets and they would still be panned by critics and audience...) but it is an entertaining superhero movie.

I won't go deeper as DeathQuaker said it well, as usual.


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I liked it (gasp!), perhaps more than Thor Ragnorak

I had high expectations for Thor based on early reviews, but I thought the the overall comedy was over done and I am not entirely certain making half the movie Planet Hulk was actually the smartest move.

In contrast, I had low expectations, and really only went to see it out of boredom and the realization I didn't have enough cash in hand to run the errands I was going to do at the fish store.

The movie does have a bit or two where the frankstein-ian corporate rewriting/editing rears its head, but not to the degree of Suicide Squad or B vs S. And the movie tries to tonally shift to a more hopeful tone, which I think it succeeds at, but the prior movies do not make it easy.

Flash and Cyborg are awesome, especially there little bonding moment. Both characters get their first real intro here, with Cyborg's origin being tied into the plot.

Aquaman also comes out pretty good, and makes me a bit pumped for his movie. His involvement in the movie is a bit more awkward...he just has a lot more backstory than the two prior characters. And the other folks also do a solid job.

Yeah there are some odd plot choices, but overall nothing that pulled me from the movie really. If I were to criticize anything, it would probably be the villain. Not the actual choice but the fact that they chose to make him entirely CGI, and uh....not very good CGI. He's not Scorpion King from Mummy 2 bad, but he does feel almost like a refugee from a video game cut scene. I have no idea why they didn't just cast a flesh and blood person, and did some effects magic to make him bigger. He's not Groot or Hulk...nothing in the character design couldn't have been pulled off with prosthetics and an actor.


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I liked it well enough. It is nowhere close to the miracle WB probably needs at this point (although I begin to think they could do the best movie since Godfather 2 with a new technology that creates goldcoins in the audiences pockets and they would still be panned by critics and audience...) but it is an entertaining superhero movie.

I won't go deeper as DeathQuaker said it well, as usual.

League is currently on track to be a box office failure it looks like, and there is at least some speculation that DC might just be giving up on the idea of shared universes entirely. We'll get more wonderwomans (and Aquaman since that is in the bag, assuming it does well), but otherwise it's pretty much just going to be batman standalones/spin-offs, some of which may have no connection to the current DCEU


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feytharn wrote:

I liked it well enough. It is nowhere close to the miracle WB probably needs at this point (although I begin to think they could do the best movie since Godfather 2 with a new technology that creates goldcoins in the audiences pockets and they would still be panned by critics and audience...) but it is an entertaining superhero movie.

I won't go deeper as DeathQuaker said it well, as usual.

League is currently on track to be a box office failure it looks like, and there is at least some speculation that DC might just be giving up on the idea of shared universes entirely. We'll get more wonderwomans (and Aquaman since that is in the bag, assuming it does well), but otherwise it's pretty much just going to be batman standalones/spin-offs, some of which may have no connection to the current DCEU

Yeah unless it has a less than steep drop next weekend it's going to be looked upon as a failure.

JUSTICE LEAGUE should have been bringing in AVENGERS (200mil) level box office opening weekend money or at least CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR money (179mil).
It didn't even bring in THOR: RAGNAROK (121mil) opening weekend money.

The movie, with all of the issues it had including the reshoots which were not inconsequential, probably cost upwards of $300mil. It's probably going to recoup the budget at some point but that looks like it's going to be a struggle.

The good news is that the only movie that could completely bury it (STAR WARS THE LAST JEDI) is almost a month away. So if word of mouth changes the impression of the film maybe people will keep going to see it and the weekend to weekend drop off won't be so steep. But that's a RARE thing.


Saw this yesterday.
It wasn't bad.


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Heh.
Hehehe.
Ha.
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That said, I wonder what my dread lady slaad thought of the film.


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MMCJawa wrote:
feytharn wrote:

I liked it well enough. It is nowhere close to the miracle WB probably needs at this point (although I begin to think they could do the best movie since Godfather 2 with a new technology that creates goldcoins in the audiences pockets and they would still be panned by critics and audience...) but it is an entertaining superhero movie.

I won't go deeper as DeathQuaker said it well, as usual.

League is currently on track to be a box office failure it looks like, and there is at least some speculation that DC might just be giving up on the idea of shared universes entirely. We'll get more wonderwomans (and Aquaman since that is in the bag, assuming it does well), but otherwise it's pretty much just going to be batman standalones/spin-offs, some of which may have no connection to the current DCEU

Yeah unless it has a less than steep drop next weekend it's going to be looked upon as a failure.

JUSTICE LEAGUE should have been bringing in AVENGERS (200mil) level box office opening weekend money or at least CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR money (179mil).
It didn't even bring in THOR: RAGNAROK (121mil) opening weekend money.

The movie, with all of the issues it had including the reshoots which were not inconsequential, probably cost upwards of $300mil. It's probably going to recoup the budget at some point but that looks like it's going to be a struggle.

The good news is that the only movie that could completely bury it (STAR WARS THE LAST JEDI) is almost a month away. So if word of mouth changes the impression of the film maybe people will keep going to see it and the weekend to weekend drop off won't be so steep. But that's a RARE thing.

Potentially. Although the word of mouth seems to be mostly "Hey, it's not bad", not OMG THIS IS AMAZING YOU HAVE TO SEE IT". So it might have some legs but I have trouble seeing a surge of interest saving it, generated via word of mouth.


It was ok.

Steppenwolf/ mother boxes needed more explaining and really wasn't that great a bad guy/ mcguffin.

At times it seemed like they were building up secondary plot lines that went no where or picked up a secondary plot whose start was cut.

Gratuitous shots of wonder woman were unnecessary and playing will they/ won't they with her and batman was annoying.

On some level I feel like the whole movie was "We need a film to explain how he with the mustache comes back" the movie.

Man with without a mustache also had a bunch of weirdness when he showed up.

Lots of stuff happened seemingly because the script said it was time to wrap up that part so end it any way you can.

Also did no one but the justice league notice anything steppenwolf/ minions were doing?

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Eh, I’m not sure I agree entirely.

I think it’s more the case that BvS was “why isn’t Superman around for the first half of Justice League?” the movie.

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It’s as if Snyder killed Superman for no other reason than that he didn’t know how to incorporate him into the first half of Justice League. Once that first hour is out of the way, he has room for Superman again, so we get a shoehorned-in resurrection plot.

Of course, some of that is Whedon, from what we know about reshoots and mustaches. Based on what we got in this film, I can easily see Snyder trying to pay off his weird choice by dragging out a “Superman came back weird” plot. Whedon says “forget that. He comes back, hangs out with Lois in a cornfield for a few minutes, he’s good as new” and gets on with the rest of the film.


You are probably right, regardless the movies that justice league is forced to build off left a shaky foundation to build from.

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Saw it this weekend, and I agree with pretty much all of DQ's points. I went into this film ready to hate it. Oh, did I want to hate this thing, what with the way they screwed up BvS, and had to stitch together a coherent film with Suicide Squad, to say nothing of the article that compared Wonder Woman's Amazons to Justice League's - that pissed me right off.

And so, I went into this film, ready for it to tick off all of the boxes, and declare the DCCU dead at last.

It failed to do so.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't great. When a friend asked if they should see this, or see Thor: Ragnarok again, I didn't hesitate to tell them to go see Thor. There's fun moments in Justice League, but nowhere near the romp through Marvel's cosmos.

Steppenwolf isn't a great villain. I have problems with Barry Sheldon, The Goofiest Man Alive. I question why Batman - well known to be the lone wolf of the DCU - is the guy that puts together the League. Why not Wondy? If we're not going to do anything interesting with Lois Lane (which is a damn crime), why are we hiring Amy Adams to play her? Are there more than five Atlanteans?

And that says nothing of the film's major flaw, which is the one that not even Joss Whedon could save - DC wants their CU NOW, and don't want to put in the groundwork to build it up. This film had to introduce Cyborg, Flash, and Aquaman, as well as have its own plot threads. Not too surprisingly, the plots get rather muddled when you're trying to do all of this. Avengers worked because each of the main players had at least one film to introduce them to the audience. That way, when Avengers started up, they didn't need to do a great deal of exposition for who these characters were. DC apparently doesn't believe they have the luxury of building this now, so we get this mess.

All in all, it could have been much, much worse, given how bad Batman v Superman: Dawn of Martha and Suicide Squad were. If you forced me to choose between watching this or watching either of the Hulk films or Thor: The Dark World again, I'd probably choose this. DC has a low-tier Marvel Studios film on their hands. Where they go from here is anyone's guess, but I suppose I'm along for the ride now.

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Oh, that reminds me of a joke I read:

"The climax of [Justice League] is the emotionally-charged moment when Batman realizes that they’re actually called “Martha Boxes”"

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Saw the film. Liked it far far far more than I thought I would. I'm pretty saddened at the fact that this might lead DC to make solo films from now on as the chemistry in the group was really good.

And Jason Momoa was having SO MUCH FUN.

But yeah Barry Sheldon and the retarder stupid crappy costume worse than the costume in the show, let alone the moronic way he runs....dear god. But he still had his moments.

Misroi
Maybe it was Batman who brought them together (he saw the necessity of a teamup and was willing to trade his life for (spoiler)) but it was Wonder woman who KEPT them together.

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I loved every scene with supes in it. I mean the scene where he EFFORTLESSLY wipes the floor with the entire rest of the league, and when the flash runs around him, HIS GODDAMN EYE FOLLOWS HIM, THEN THE HEAD AND THEN QUEUE AWESOMENESS. And when he effortlessly kicks Steppenwolf's ass after he wiped the floor with the rest of the league, mostly

It was glorious that.


huh...I actually like The Flash. He's more awkward than the TV version, but I actually like that both versions are different interpretations; make each one stand out more. He also brought probably the most levity to the proceedings.

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Barry Allen is not an autistic kid without friends. Newer was.

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I was thinking they should have made him Wally West, just to make him more unique next to CW's Flash.


Hama wrote:

Saw the film. Liked it far far far more than I thought I would. I'm pretty saddened at the fact that this might lead DC to make solo films from now on as the chemistry in the group was really good.

And Jason Momoa was having SO MUCH FUN.

But yeah Barry Sheldon and the retarder stupid crappy costume worse than the costume in the show, let alone the moronic way he runs....dear god. But he still had his moments.

Misroi
Maybe it was Batman who brought them together (he saw the necessity of a teamup and was willing to trade his life for (spoiler)) but it was Wonder woman who KEPT them together.

** spoiler omitted **

It was glorious that.

Hama, you feeling okay?

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Browman wrote:

It was ok.

Steppenwolf/ mother boxes needed more explaining and really wasn't that great a bad guy/ mcguffin.

Seemed pretty clear they were Steppenwolf's connection to his homeworld and he needed to bring them together to maximize his invasion. What else did we need to know?

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At times it seemed like they were building up secondary plot lines that went no where or picked up a secondary plot whose start was cut.

Like what?

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Gratuitous shots of wonder woman were unnecessary

I KNOW, there was a whole two minutes where Gal Gadot was wearing tight pants! *clutches pearls and reaches for the fainting couch*

Really? Someone else told me they were worried about the "male gaziness" of the movie, and I went in with a sense of dread, thinking we were going to get something akin to Iron Man 2, where the camera follows Scarlett Johansson around like a drooling basement dweller.

Instead we get a movie where actually if the camera ever lingers on Wonder Woman, it's usually on her face or arms, or follows her whole body non-salaciously through fight scenes. Given both Snyder and Whedon's issues with gaze sometimes, I was actually surprised at how much the camera focuses on her face.

Yes, there is that blink-and-miss-it moment where they're all jumping out of the Batplane, and you can see 20% of her buttcheek for a second, if you're not paying attention to the firmly molded details of Ezra Miller's ass which is actually the focal point of that shot. This movie will in fact teach you a lot about Ezra Miller's ass. Gal Gadot's? Apart from the brief tight pants scene, where I wouldn't say the camera really lingers either, not really. Even when actually shot from behind, the paneling of her pteruges usually conceals any detail.

I have a feeling if people felt like they were looking at Gal Gadot's butt the whole time in the movie, it's because they were personally as a viewer going out of their way to look for Gal Gadot's ass, because the camera work usually (tight pants scene aside) doesn't help. I wouldn't say the movie was utterly free of gaze, but for the genre and the times, it seems to me like there was effort made toward doing better.

Alternatively, there will always be the idiots like James Cameron who think just because a lady happens to be pretty, her presence is immediately exploitative. Which is pretty creepy and messed up.

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and playing will they/ won't they with her and batman was annoying.

? Did we see the same movie? There was one scene where Alfred teases Bruce about having a crush on her, and... uh... nothing otherwise? What did I miss?

I could see he was fascinated by her, but even then it seemed more like in awe of her than being attracted to her in a more base way, and she to me regarded him only as a respected friend.

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Also did no one but the justice league notice anything steppenwolf/ minions were doing?

Yes, the Gotham City cops for one thing were investigating them, which is why Gordon summoned Batman with the signal. And then of course the whole town where that Russian nuclear reactor was, who were fleeing (my sense was they were in a pretty remote area so the authorities just hadn't got to them, or were avoiding the area out of fear of the reactor going). Oh, and the Scandinavian guy on the boat that Aquaman rescued, and the town he lives in.

Sorry if it feels like I'm picking on you, I'm just a bit baffled by your perspective. Of course almost all of the above is up for interpretation, so YMMV.


DeathQuaker wrote:
Browman wrote:

It was ok.

Steppenwolf/ mother boxes needed more explaining and really wasn't that great a bad guy/ mcguffin.

Seemed pretty clear they were Steppenwolf's connection to his homeworld and he needed to bring them together to maximize his invasion. What else did we need to know?

Why is Steppenwolf trying to conquer earth specifically? Given that superman has been on earth for 30? Of the last 5000 years why is him being gone now what triggers Steppenwolf to return? It just seemed to me like even less time was devoted to the villain than normal for a superhero movie. And superhero movies haven't been awesome with how the handle villains overall.

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At times it seemed like they were building up secondary plot lines that went no where or picked up a secondary plot whose start was cut.
Like what?

The doomsday cult that Wonder Woman stopped, why spend time establishing anything about the group if they disappear and never get mentioned again after that scene?

And how they were establishing that superman had issues to deal with from being dead, then dropped it without any real explanation.

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Gratuitous shots of wonder woman were unnecessary

I KNOW, there was a whole two minutes where Gal Gadot was wearing tight pants! *clutches pearls and reaches for the fainting couch*

Really? Someone else told me they were worried about the "male gaziness" of the movie, and I went in with a sense of dread, thinking we were going to get something akin to Iron Man 2, where the camera follows Scarlett Johansson around like a drooling basement dweller.

Instead we get a movie where actually if the camera ever lingers on Wonder Woman, it's usually on her face or arms, or follows her whole body non-salaciously through fight scenes. Given both Snyder and Whedon's issues with gaze sometimes, I was actually surprised at how much the camera focuses on her face.

Yes, there is that blink-and-miss-it moment where they're all jumping out of the Batplane, and you can see 20% of her buttcheek for a second, if you're not paying attention to the firmly molded details of Ezra Miller's ass which is actually the focal point of that shot. This movie will in fact teach you a lot about Ezra Miller's ass. Gal Gadot's? Apart from the brief tight pants scene, where I wouldn't say the camera really lingers either, not really. Even when actually shot from behind, the paneling of her pteruges usually conceals any detail.

I have a feeling if people felt like they were looking at Gal Gadot's butt the whole time in the movie, it's because they were personally as a viewer going out of their way to look for Gal Gadot's ass, because the camera work usually (tight pants scene aside) doesn't help. I wouldn't say the movie was utterly free of gaze, but for the genre and the times, it seems to me like there was effort made toward doing better.

Alternatively, there will always be the idiots like James Cameron who think just because a lady happens to be pretty, her presence is immediately exploitative. Which is pretty creepy and messed up.

I'm saying it was unnecessary, not that it destroyed the movie or anything. I would have used stronger wording if I had bigger problems with it. There is certainly no pearl clutching going on.

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and playing will they/ won't they with her and batman was annoying.

? Did we see the same movie? There was one scene where Alfred teases Bruce about having a crush on her, and... uh... nothing otherwise? What did I miss?

I could see he was fascinated by her, but even then it seemed more like in awe of her than being attracted to her in a more base way, and she to me regarded him only as a respected friend.

Alfred referenced it almost every scene where he and batman or wonder woman were in the same room. Again it was annoying rather than movie destroying.

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Also did no one but the justice league notice anything steppenwolf/ minions were doing?

Yes, the Gotham City cops for one thing were investigating them, which is why Gordon summoned Batman with the signal. And then of course the whole town where that Russian nuclear reactor was, who were fleeing (my sense was they were in a pretty remote area so the authorities just hadn't got to them, or were avoiding the area out of fear of the reactor going). Oh, and the Scandinavian guy on the boat that Aquaman rescued, and the town he lives in.

Sorry if it feels like I'm picking on you, I'm just a bit baffled by your perspective. Of course almost all of the above is up for interpretation, so YMMV.

Too me it seemed like without the justice league nothing would haven't been done. Gotham PD thought that some kidnappings were related, the Scandinavian guy seemed like he was being treated as a crazy person and there was no indication that any Russian authorities cared. Even the atlantians and amazons didn't seem to care that much, they know that last time it took gods and huge armies. This time they feel like one person from their kingdoms can handle it.

If I was concerned that people would pick on me, I wouldn't have posted my thoughts. Clearly mine is only one opinion.


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DeathQuaker wrote:
Browman wrote:

It was ok.

Steppenwolf/ mother boxes needed more explaining and really wasn't that great a bad guy/ mcguffin.

Seemed pretty clear they were Steppenwolf's connection to his homeworld and he needed to bring them together to maximize his invasion. What else did we need to know?

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At times it seemed like they were building up secondary plot lines that went no where or picked up a secondary plot whose start was cut.

Like what?

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Gratuitous shots of wonder woman were unnecessary

I KNOW, there was a whole two minutes where Gal Gadot was wearing tight pants! *clutches pearls and reaches for the fainting couch*

Really? Someone else told me they were worried about the "male gaziness" of the movie, and I went in with a sense of dread, thinking we were going to get something akin to Iron Man 2, where the camera follows Scarlett Johansson around like a drooling basement dweller.

Instead we get a movie where actually if the camera ever lingers on Wonder Woman, it's usually on her face or arms, or follows her whole body non-salaciously through fight scenes. Given both Snyder and Whedon's issues with gaze sometimes, I was actually surprised at how much the camera focuses on her face.

Yes, there is that blink-and-miss-it moment where they're all jumping out of the Batplane, and you can see 20% of her buttcheek for a second, if you're not paying attention to the firmly molded details of Ezra Miller's ass which is actually the focal point of that shot. This movie will in fact teach you a lot about Ezra Miller's ass. Gal Gadot's? Apart from the brief tight pants scene, where I wouldn't say the camera really lingers either, not really. Even when actually shot from behind, the paneling of her pteruges usually conceals any detail.

I have a feeling if people felt like they were looking at Gal Gadot's butt the whole time in the movie, it's because they were personally as a viewer going out of their way to look for Gal Gadot's ass, because...

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Why is Steppenwolf trying to conquer earth specifically? Given that superman has been on earth for 30? Of the last 5000 years why is him being gone now what triggers Steppenwolf to return? It just seemed to me like even less time was devoted to the villain than normal for a superhero movie. And superhero movies haven't been awesome with how the handle villains overall.

IIRC the backstory provided is that he went to various worlds of sentient people and conquered them. Earth was his next attempted conquest, when he was sealed away by the separation of the Motherboxes. When he's awakened, he wants to finish where he left off and then go home.

It's stated several times the reason he appeared now was because of the sheer hopelessness caused worldwide by Superman's death. One might have trouble believing that of all the world's woes, THAT was the one that caused enough hopelessness/fear to waken him, but that is the explanation provided. It is at least consistent within that universe that raises Superman upon such a pedestal. So, you and I might think it's a stupid reason, but it is an internally consistent, provided reason.

Now WHY does he conquer worlds? Because he can. I am really okay in a story that is focusing on "get the heroes together" and therefore providing several origin/reintroduction stories with keeping the villain fairly two dimensional. Given the end credits scene, complex villains with deeper and more interesting motives will be coming (if the box office performance doesn't end the franchise).

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The doomsday cult that Wonder Woman stopped, why spend time establishing anything about the group if they disappear and never get mentioned again after that scene?

Huh, I didn't take that as its own plotline, just an example of the criminals and terrorists appearing in the wake of Superman's death--and also to show that there were heroes (Wondy in this case) trying to stop them.

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And how they were establishing that superman had issues to deal with from being dead, then dropped it without any real explanation.

He was healed by Lois's presence and going home/a familiar place for awhile to recuperate.

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I'm saying it was unnecessary, not that it destroyed the movie or anything. I would have used stronger wording if I had bigger problems with it. There is certainly no pearl clutching going on.

I apologize for the rant. It was in part directed toward other similar complaints I've seen.

What bugs me (this is further directed outward and not toward you) is there ARE still so many issues with exploitative direction and cinematography, acting like it's where it isn't doesn't undercuts highlighting obvious problems with it in other recent or upcoming movies (e.g., the impending "Red Sparrow" movie, which is basically, "hey, let's do a Black Widow movie, but without all the cool badassery and super smart spy stuff and play up all the really creepy dark sex fetishy aspects instead").

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Too me it seemed like without the justice league nothing would haven't been done. Gotham PD thought that some kidnappings were related, the Scandinavian guy seemed like he was being treated as a crazy person and there was no indication that any Russian authorities cared. Even the atlantians and amazons didn't seem to care that much, they know that last time it took gods and huge armies. This time they feel like one person from their kingdoms can handle it.

Your original question was, "also did no one but the justice league notice anything steppenwolf/ minions were doing?"

I answered that people noticed.

That nothing could have been done without the Justice League was kind of the point of the movie. The Atlanteans and Amazons are trapped inside their own bubbles with Diana and Arthur unique exiles, and otherwise no one possessed adequate abilities/tech to fight a god (although IDK maybe Star Labs would have cobbled something together?). Thank goodness the whole movie was about the League! :)


It was my bad for phrasing the question I had at the end of my original post badly.


Red sparrow?

What?

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Freehold DM wrote:

Red sparrow?

What?

Look up the trailer on Youtube. The movie is based on a book. I further don't want to derail the thread tho.


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I saw it with my 8 year old and one of his classmates last weekend. They both loved it, I was pleasantly surprised.

The plot is weak, the Big Bad arrives from nowhere set on assembling all three plot coupons with which he can conquer the world. Batman and Wonder Woman assemble a team to stop him, and in a final battle, do so. No real surprises anywhere, but it does clear the very low bars that Superman vs. Batman failed to clear. The plot is clear, mostly coherent, and proceeds in a pretty focused manner. Basic competence achieved.

The League's big three (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) all work well. Superman is appropriately overpowered. Batman gets to be clever and resourceful. Wonder Woman gets to be an appropriately inspirational bad ass (her scene foiling a terror attack is particularly good).

The new characters are pretty thin, but competent. Part of the problem here is that there isn't time to really develop three new superheroes, but pleasantly the film doesn't try. Someone (one suspects Whedon) lampshades this with some dialog where Cyborg says to Flash "So, you go hit by lightning or something?" to which Flash respond "Yeah, pretty much". That's all the 'origin story' we get for Flash, and you know, I'm totally fine with that. Ezra Miller's Flash is probably the best of the three and provides most of the comic relief. Cyborg is bland and broody, Aquaman is bland and macho, but both are basically competent.

The villain is pretty terrible. He's got almost no lines, no point of view, no apparent motivation, and is a pretty ugly blob of CGI. Which is a shame because Ciarán Hinds is a fantastic actor, he just isn't given anything to do.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Hama wrote:

Saw the film. Liked it far far far more than I thought I would. I'm pretty saddened at the fact that this might lead DC to make solo films from now on as the chemistry in the group was really good.

And Jason Momoa was having SO MUCH FUN.

But yeah Barry Sheldon and the retarder stupid crappy costume worse than the costume in the show, let alone the moronic way he runs....dear god. But he still had his moments.

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Maybe it was Batman who brought them together (he saw the necessity of a teamup and was willing to trade his life for (spoiler)) but it was Wonder woman who KEPT them together.

** spoiler omitted **

It was glorious that.

Hama, you feeling okay?

Quite, why do you ask?


Hama wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hama wrote:

Saw the film. Liked it far far far more than I thought I would. I'm pretty saddened at the fact that this might lead DC to make solo films from now on as the chemistry in the group was really good.

And Jason Momoa was having SO MUCH FUN.

But yeah Barry Sheldon and the retarder stupid crappy costume worse than the costume in the show, let alone the moronic way he runs....dear god. But he still had his moments.

Misroi
Maybe it was Batman who brought them together (he saw the necessity of a teamup and was willing to trade his life for (spoiler)) but it was Wonder woman who KEPT them together.

** spoiler omitted **

It was glorious that.

Hama, you feeling okay?
Quite, why do you ask?

because you liked justice league, a movie you were set on hating, it seems.

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It's called changing an opinion with provided evidence, i am capable of it as a rational human being.


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Hama wrote:
It's called changing an opinion with provided evidence, i am capable of it as a rational human being.

Hama, you feeling okay....

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Well my knees have been killing me lately


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Man, I know THAT feeling.

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Well it's my fault really, I'm 5'6" and weigh about 275 pounds. Puts a lot of strain of those.


Thoroughly enjoyed
Action scenes weren't to frenetic so I could follow them
Thought all 5 heroes entertaining

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See Freehold....if you give it a chance, you can break the addiction to Hate.

#haterrehab

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>_>


In short, I liked it. A bit rushed but everything was perfectly comprehensible, a tad too much humor, like goofy Barry, but it didn't overwhelm and ruin everything like the humor in Thor3.
I was very happy to see Clark being more like Superman and less the wooden dummy he was in BvS.


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Hama wrote:
Well it's my fault really, I'm 5'6" and weigh about 275 pounds. Puts a lot of strain of those.

I'm a little taller and a little lighter - 5'11", ~250 - but otherwise generally in the same boat. Shaving off 50-75 would not hurt.

Granted, that's not likely to happen as we're getting into the holiday season and that means lots of good food....


Dammit orthos, stop being taller than me!


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:

See Freehold....if you give it a chance, you can break the addiction to Hate.

#haterrehab

I'm prepared for the backlash that will come from me liking a movie with whedons name on it.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Dammit orthos, stop being taller than me!

You is smol? :3

*hugs Freehold*


Saw it today. Enjoyed it quite a bit.

Given the tease in the flashback of the ancient battle with Steppenwolf, for a hero not appearing in this movie, I was disappointed that the end credit scene didn't hint at that hero's future appearance.

Early in the movie, the camera panned past a newspaper with the headline "Wave of Disappearing Heroes" and three photos underneath. My eye wasn't quick enough to see who was depicted in any of the photos. Anyone catch that?


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I'm a little taller and a little lighter - 5'11", ~250 - but otherwise generally in the same boat. Shaving off 50-75 would not hurt.

Likewise for me (just barely 6', 255# and diabetic) but I think I'm subconsciously scared of losing weight. Summer of 2004 I weighed 215# and started losing weight without explanation. A few months later I was diagnosed with AIDS, and I bottomed out at 140# the following April before I started to regain weight and muscle mass. With my beard, by wife said I looked like Abe Lincoln on crack. For the first several weeks after I went back to work, I literally could not step up onto a street curb; I had to walk up the wheelchair cutouts at the intersection. And stairs? Forget it.

I'm fine now, as far as the AIDS goes, but it's hard to keep the blood sugar under control. Sedentary job (programmer) and sedentary hobbies (gaming, reading, TV) don't help at all.

I'd really like to drop 50#, but short of gaining a wish spell, it probably won't happen. OTOH, I was running just over 265# last year, so...

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I stopped drinking coke and eating sweets and I began losing weight after two weeks. My belly visibly shrank. I'm waiting to reach 220lb before I start exercising so I don't damage my joints.


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Rysky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Dammit orthos, stop being taller than me!

You is smol? :3

*hugs Freehold*

I'm 5'9"!


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Hama wrote:
I stopped drinking coke and eating sweets and I began losing weight after two weeks. My belly visibly shrank. I'm waiting to reach 220lb before I start exercising so I don't damage my joints.

My only soda is Diet Mt. Dew, but otherwise, sweets remain a problem for me. Cutting back on them somewhat may be what enabled me to lose 16-18 pounds since last year, but cutting them out seems like a bridge too far. My main reason for not starting to exercise is that I'm lazy, but chronic fatigue comes in a close second.

Not feeling energetic enough to exercise, sometimes even to the point of walking around the block, creates a Catch-22 where I'd feel better if I exercised, but I'd have to feel better in order to do so.

This is where the laziness comes in: I'm not trying very hard to find a way to break that cycle, even though I know I'd benefit from it. I am a minion of the Runelord of Sloth.

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