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An Advanced Slayer talent that can be taken is Evasion(ex). That is pretty useful for a trapfinding character. The Problem is that the ability is actually a Ninja Master Trick, which has a line "Evasion can be used only if the ninja is wearing light armor or no armor."
So #1 Slayer can ignore that as it is not a Ninja is the first place and still use medium armor.
#2 Slayer can only use evasion while in Light armor as a maximum.
I dont know why the Ninja has this line in the first place as it is a Dexterity based character anyway. Its not like they would be in Full Plate, now would they?
#2. In the talents taken, replace Ninja with Slayer (or rogue with Slayer for rogue talents taken as part of the slayer kit).
Just because a character is likely to have high dex, does not mean they do, nor that they would never wear heavier than light armor (it would likely be sub-optimal, but it is an option).
Likewise, a slayer with high dex may forgo wearing medium armor if their dex is high enough such that medium armor would cap their dex bonus to AC.
Well then, any other ways to get Evasion that fits with medium armor?
Ring of Evasion
The reason it has ninja in it is that it is actually a ninja talent; rogues get it as a class ability and don’t need a use a talent to gain it. It also states in the slayer that the slayer is able to pick certain rogue and ninja talents in place of a slayer talent. The rogue and ninja came out long before the slayer so of course their descriptions will not include mention of the slayer. When you take a talent from another class you take the whole thing not just parts of it. Any restrictions on the original talent are still in effect.
There are many reasons a ninja might be wearing more than light armor. While ninja are only proficient with light armor there is nothing to prevent them from multiclassing with a class that is proficient with heavier armor. Also if the ninja is trying to disguise himself as someone who would normally wear heavier armor he will probably need to don it. There is also nothing that says a ninja has to be a DEX based character. Unlike the unchained rogue they don’t actually gain any class ability that requires a high DEX. You could just as easily build a STR based ninja as a DEX based one. Considering how difficult it is to get DEX to damage a STR based ninja may be more efficient.
Ring of Evasion
Ring of Evasion is based on the rogue evasion ability. Nothing in the ring description removes the light armor restriction.
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Ring of EvasionRing of Evasion is based on the rogue evasion ability. Nothing in the ring description removes the light armor restriction.
No language in the entry refers to the rogue talent or any restrictions thereof.
Ranger evasion works in medium armour but only kicks in at 9th level compared to the rogues 2nd level. As the slayer is a rogue/ranger hybrid that comes with medium armour but can only get evasion thru the rogue talent part of their class id say a compromise is that it works as the rogue evasion until 9th level where it works as the ranger evasion.
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Ranger evasion works in medium armour but only kicks in at 9th level compared to the rogues 2nd level. As the slayer is a rogue/ranger hybrid that comes with medium armour but can only get evasion thru the rogue talent part of their class id say a compromise is that it works as the rogue evasion until 9th level where it works as the ranger evasion.
Except there isn't anything to suggest it functions like this unfortunately. It's though the ninja talent, which functions only in light armor.
No language in the entry refers to the rogue talent or any restrictions thereof.Ring of EvasionRing of Evasion is based on the rogue evasion ability. Nothing in the ring description removes the light armor restriction.
You are correct. I'd forgotten rangers had evasion as well.
Mithral breastplate, as always?
Yes, unless you are a dwarf, you will probably be wearing mithral anyway just for the land speed.
#2. If you gain an ability from another class - you consider that class's references as your class.
This is not always the case - though I will grant it is here.
e.g. Arcane Deed/Flamboyant Arcana
Guys, it is abundantly clear to me that the Slayer's evasion was meant to reflect a Ranger's and work in medium armor, but their ninja trick wording failed to deliver that.
I propose we mark this as an FAQ so we get some errata going.
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Guys, it is abundantly clear to me that the Slayer's evasion was meant to reflect a Ranger's and work in medium armor, but their ninja trick wording failed to deliver that.
I propose we mark this as an FAQ so we get some errata going.
How???
Nothing in the Slayer class says if they get an ability that one (both actually) of their "parent" classes get that it's modified to go off one but not the other.
They get the ability with the restrictions they say they get, and the only way they get evasion is through the Ninja Master Talent, which only works in light armor.
Because I am not basing my conclusions on the text of the ability but it's clear intent - an option that comes at about the same level as it does for the Ranger, which is another light/medium armor-locked class, to give an ability it has.
No class out there has two levels of restrictions for armor - Barb is always limited to up to medium; Monk to nothing; Rogue to light.
Slayer is limited to medium by Style Feats and, due to a clear editing mishap, to light by Evasion.
If you trust that Paizo wanted to make a Slayer a medium-armor-able class, then you must imagine this was an editing mistake.
I, for one, trust more in Paizo having solid design logic and flawed editors than having inconsistent and deceiving design logic and perfect editors.
For that reason, I'll tag this as an FAQ so they can get errata going for something that most players will be sorely disappointed to find out (and most GMs should houserule into function).
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Because I am not basing my conclusions on the text of the ability but it's clear intent - an option that comes at about the same level as it does for the Ranger, which is another light/medium armor-locked class, to give an ability it has.
No class out there has two levels of restrictions for armor - Barb is always limited to up to medium; Monk to nothing; Rogue to light.
Slayer is limited to medium by Style Feats and, due to a clear editing mishap, to light by Evasion.
If you trust that Paizo wanted to make a Slayer a medium-armor-able class, then you must imagine this was an editing mistake.
I, for one, trust more in Paizo having solid design logic and flawed editors than having inconsistent and deceiving design logic and perfect editors.
For that reason, I'll tag this as an FAQ so they can get errata going for something that most players will be sorely disappointed to find out (and most GMs should houserule into function).
No, you want to believe that it can use evasion in medium, when there's nothing to suggest it as such.
As to your nonsensical reasoning, the Slayer doesn't "get" evasion the same time as the Ranger, they get it when and IF they choose to take the NINJA talent allowing them to take it. Style feats "limiting" it? Those aren't a core part of the class, they don't have to take them.
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If they can take that talent at a level below 9th, it likely is based off the Rogue version.
Or it could be based of the Ninja Evasion, which is how they get it. Ninja and Slayer both get acces to Ninja Master Tricks at level 10.
Evasion (Ex): A ninja can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If she makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, she instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if the ninja is wearing light armor or no armor. A helpless ninja does not gain the benefit of evasion.
No, you want to believe that it can use evasion in medium, when there's nothing to suggest it as such.
wat
I just said that by RAW it doesn't say it. I literally did. But it's clearly interpreted that they meant to add medium-armor functionality because it's on a medium-armor class with features that only restrict it to medium armor and nothing else, and it makes no sense to add a second restrictive component.
If it's not apparent, I don't "want to believe" this way. I, through use of empirical analysis, conclude this way.
As to your nonsensical reasoning,
Very tempted to stop reading now because it seems you have the debating ability of a national presidential candidate.
the Slayer doesn't "get" evasion the same time as the Ranger, they get it when and IF they choose to take the NINJA talent allowing them to take it. Style feats "limiting" it? Those aren't a core part of the class, they don't have to take them.
Now this is the only part of your post that is compelling. Put more stuff like this and less like the rest.
See, this could actually be something that leaves reasonable doubt enough for me, but not totally convinces me.
The reason is that other similar "gains evasion" cases on classes with medium/heavy armor proficiency avoided mentioning the rogue.
A recent example is the Vigilante, which can gain evasion/improved evasion, but it applies even while using medium armor because they don't mention the rogue class.
However, I've seen inconsistent wording too - for example, the Castellan Cavalier says it gains evasion as a rogue, but doesn't care about armor. Why didn't they leave evasion by itself? When by itself, does it not care about armor in the first place? How do we know it may be referring to a ranger's type of evasion instead?
I think it would be good for Paizo to do a pass on most evasion granting features and clarify.
That being said, I'm still well convinced that they intended the Slayer's evasion to apply in medium armor because it'd be a trap option for a lot of players otherwise, and I don't think they wanted something that caused players to have to dig into three levels of classes to find its restrictions.
If they can take that talent at a level below 9th, it likely is based off the Rogue version.
It's only available at level 10th as an advanced talent.
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*rolls eyes*
Your making shit up and assuming, therefore "nonsense". And I'm the one being compared to a candidate?
Rogues get Rogue's Evasion.
Ninjas get Ninja's Evasion.
Rangers get Ranger's Evasion.
Vigilantes get Vigilante's Evasion.
Cavalier (Castellan) get (under certain circumstances) Rogue's Evasion with the specific callout that it can be used with heavier armors.
Slayers get Ninja's Evasion.