Native Outsiders FAQ


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I was told there am FAQ that made Native Outsiders vulnerable to Humanoid targeted spells but I cant seem to find it . Can anyone point me to it?


Gamerskum wrote:
I was told there am FAQ that made Native Outsiders vulnerable to Humanoid targeted spells but I cant seem to find it . Can anyone point me to it?

I doubt there is such a thing given that in Inner Sea Races there is a racial talent called Mostly Human which makes you count as a humanoid and a native outsider.

Silver Crusade Contributor

No such FAQ. There are alternate racial traits for some of the most common native outsider races that have that effect, though. ^_^


Okies, I was told it was a PFS ruling.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Not that I've ever heard of. Anyone else know of anything like this?

Shadow Lodge

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It is a common misconception involving a FAQ about outsiders being singularily human-based instead of Elven, dwarven etc which itself was done just to ban small race based native outsiders featured in the "Blood of" books. Unfortunately, the FAQ was worded in a way that caused the misconception AND forgot to include the original question which was solely about playing small outsiders.


Where is it located?

Sczarni

Are races such as tieflings and aasimars considered as half-human in Pathfinder Society Organized Play?

Yes.

As Muser mentioned, there is some context to this that has gotten lost over the years. Read as it is, people often interpret that Aasimars and Tieflings can freely take any Human racial options, such as feats. The reality is that they're simply considered to be of "human descent".

My guess is that whoever told you about this FAQ falls into the group that misinterprets its meaning.


That being said, I'm all in favour of it being a real thing. The presence of PC Native Outsiders screws with a lot of NPC tactics that call for spells like Hold Person and Dominate Person.

Silver Crusade Contributor

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If the NPC can make a Knowledge (planes) check, you'd be well within your rights to declare their written tactics invalidated. ^_^

Dark Archive

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It'll be very interesting seeing what happens when I'm no longer the only undine at a table. We don't mean to throw a wet rag on all your NPC tactics. My goal isn't frustrating NPC casters so much as hanging out in all the watery pirate scenarios and helping my non-swimming friends see the beauties of the underwater world.

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The Concordance

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Nixie Attwater wrote:
Blub, blub...

Yes?

Sczarni

Kalindlara wrote:
If the NPC can make a Knowledge (planes) check, you'd be well within your rights to declare their written tactics invalidated. ^_^

And it'd only be DC 10, since they don't have any racial hit dice.

Grand Lodge

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Nefreet wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
If the NPC can make a Knowledge (planes) check, you'd be well within your rights to declare their written tactics invalidated. ^_^
And it'd only be DC 10, since they don't have any racial hit dice.

And some are a little more obvious than others.

"Okay, there are three things that are human shaped, and one that has vestigial wings and a tail. I don't know what race that one is, but I am gonna use my hold person on someone else, just in case."


Yeah, that FAQ just means you're not allowed to make an aasimar whose mother was an elf and father was a half-celestial elf, or an oread whose parents were dwarves but whose great-grandfather married a shaitan.


Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Yeah, that FAQ just means you're not allowed to make an aasimar whose mother was an elf and father was a half-celestial elf, or an oread whose parents were dwarves but whose great-grandfather married a shaitan.

The Oread thing is kind of a bad example because as far as I am aware of its actually supported by the rules.

EDIT:
Im not sure why its a thing as the APG the feats come from don't have any fluff outside of your descended from Dwarves.
Jared Thaler wrote:


And some are a little more obvious than others.

"Okay, there are three things that are human shaped, and one that has vestigial wings and a tail. I don't know what race that one is, but I am gonna use my hold person on someone else, just in case."

If only that logic consistently worked on all humanoid creatures that had wings and a tail because I kind of have a half orc that is getting there.

Grand Lodge

MadScientistWorking wrote:
Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Yeah, that FAQ just means you're not allowed to make an aasimar whose mother was an elf and father was a half-celestial elf, or an oread whose parents were dwarves but whose great-grandfather married a shaitan.

The Oread thing is kind of a bad example because as far as I am aware of its actually supported by the rules.

EDIT:
Im not sure why its a thing as the APG the feats come from don't have any fluff outside of your descended from Dwarves.
Jared Thaler wrote:


And some are a little more obvious than others.

"Okay, there are three things that are human shaped, and one that has vestigial wings and a tail. I don't know what race that one is, but I am gonna use my hold person on someone else, just in case."

If only that logic consistently worked on all humanoid creatures that had wings and a tail because I kind of have a half orc that is getting there.

I try to be consistent when I GM. If you have wings and a tail, and I don't have knowledge (what the <bleep> are you) I try to pick a different target.

Sometimes that means my caster dies in a bloody mess.

Hilariously it sometimes means my caster tries to cast hold person on the Assimar instead of the Half-Orc...

But thats the price of failing a knowledge check sometimes.


Really not sure why this was moved to the rules question section since It was specifically a PFS ruling question.

Sczarni

This time it wasn't me!!


MadScientistWorking wrote:
Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Yeah, that FAQ just means you're not allowed to make an aasimar whose mother was an elf and father was a half-celestial elf, or an oread whose parents were dwarves but whose great-grandfather married a shaitan.

The Oread thing is kind of a bad example because as far as I am aware of its actually supported by the rules.

EDIT:
Im not sure why its a thing as the APG the feats come from don't have any fluff outside of your descended from Dwarves.

ARG, I assume you mean. Yeah, I guess that was a bad example since the FAQ itself didn't say anything about the elemental races.

Shadow Lodge

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Nefreet wrote:
This time it wasn't me!!

I'm still going to blame you. It's not your fault, but I'm still gonna.

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