Small sized great sword and Lead blade spell damage question


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The subject says it all really, what would the damage be for a small sized great sword with lead blade cast on it.

Great sword (medium) 2d6
Great sword (small) 1d10

Shouldn't the damage from a small great sword under the effects of Lead blade spell take it back up to 2d6? The rules says it jumps to 2d8 I am confused by this. please help.
Thanks.

Sczarni

According to the FAQ, a small-sized 1d10 increases to 2d6 medium-sized.

A medium-sized 1d10 increases to 2d8 large-sized.

Unless I'm not understanding your question.


If the initial size is Small or lower (or is treated as Small or lower) or the initial damage is 1d6 or less, instead increase the damage by one step.

Damage Dice Progression Chart
1
1d2
1d3
1d4
1d6
1d8
1d10
2d6
2d8

You only go up one step, or in otherwords from 1d10 to 2d6


Steven Morgan wrote:

The subject says it all really, what would the damage be for a small sized great sword with lead blade cast on it.

Great sword (medium) 2d6
Great sword (small) 1d10

Shouldn't the damage from a small great sword under the effects of Lead blade spell take it back up to 2d6? The rules says it jumps to 2d8 I am confused by this. please help.
Thanks.

PLEASE tell me that Herolab is telling you that the damage is 2D8. Because if it is, then that makes the FAQ link irrelevant.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Steven Morgan wrote:

The subject says it all really, what would the damage be for a small sized great sword with lead blade cast on it.

Great sword (medium) 2d6
Great sword (small) 1d10

Shouldn't the damage from a small great sword under the effects of Lead blade spell take it back up to 2d6? The rules says it jumps to 2d8 I am confused by this. please help.
Thanks.

PLEASE tell me that Herolab is telling you that the damage is 2D8. Because if it is, then that makes the FAQ link irrelevant.

This is a joke/sarcasm, right?

Because the FAQ is certainly more official than a third-party character building program.


bigrig107 wrote:
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Steven Morgan wrote:

The subject says it all really, what would the damage be for a small sized great sword with lead blade cast on it.

Great sword (medium) 2d6
Great sword (small) 1d10

Shouldn't the damage from a small great sword under the effects of Lead blade spell take it back up to 2d6? The rules says it jumps to 2d8 I am confused by this. please help.
Thanks.

PLEASE tell me that Herolab is telling you that the damage is 2D8. Because if it is, then that makes the FAQ link irrelevant.

This is a joke/sarcasm, right?

Because the FAQ is certainly more official than a third-party character building program.

It is sarcastic, yes, but considering that Herolab is used more often than not to get/overturn current rules answers, there is still some genuine concern.

It might not overturn a FAQ, but I know for sure that Herolab has been the key for (almost always) negative Errata, and who is to say this won't be more of the same?


Because 2d8 is better than 2d6, making it not a negative errata?

Also, I'm not sure any FAQ (like, ever) has been overturned with an errata.
If it makes it into the FAQ, it's written in stone.


bigrig107 wrote:

Because 2d8 is better than 2d6, making it not a negative errata?

Also, I'm not sure any FAQ (like, ever) has been overturned with an errata.
If it makes it into the FAQ, it's written in stone.

Every answer/result from Herolab is usually responded from an official developer (or even the developer committee itself), which means it has as much weight as the PDT posts regarding FAQ/Errata, considering that both come straight from the horse's mouth.

Also, not everything is written in stone. FAQs have been overturned before. They're rare, true, but it has happened.

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Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Every answer/result from Herolab is usually responded from an official developer

While true, it doesn't mean that all deviations are a result of a message from PDT. Often they are simply errors in the programming.


Nefreet wrote:

According to the FAQ, a small-sized 1d10 increases to 2d6 medium-sized.

A medium-sized 1d10 increases to 2d8 large-sized.

Unless I'm not understanding your question.

Ok so i am still confused why the difference in the damage dice size,

no matter what size the weapon is, small 1d10 or medium 1d10 shouldn't they both only increase to 2d6? why would one increase to 2d8 and not the other?

also the spell is not increasing the weapon size just upping the damage dice, it should react the exact same to both 1d10 weapons.


No, small 1d10 is a small weapon so it only goes up 1 step of the chart instead of two. A medium 1d10 goes up two steps. Because that's the rule laid out in the FAQ.
No, increases to damage dice work as a "virtual" or fake weapon size increase.


Chess Pwn wrote:

No, small 1d10 is a small weapon so it only goes up 1 step of the chart instead of two. A medium 1d10 goes up two steps. Because that's the rule laid out in the FAQ.

No, increases to damage dice work as a "virtual" or fake weapon size increase.

Okay thanks for the information,not sure why they did it that way, but i will go with it.


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Steven Morgan wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:

No, small 1d10 is a small weapon so it only goes up 1 step of the chart instead of two. A medium 1d10 goes up two steps. Because that's the rule laid out in the FAQ.

No, increases to damage dice work as a "virtual" or fake weapon size increase.
Okay thanks for the information,not sure why they did it that way, but i will go with it.

Because there was a mess of different methods of calculating size increases spread across a number of books written over a number of years and they had to do the best they could to make them mesh as much as possible.

Sczarni

Steven Morgan wrote:
Okay thanks for the information,not sure why they did it that way, but i will go with it.

It was the most FAQ'd question in Paizo's history. It needed resolution.


Steven Morgan wrote:

The subject says it all really, what would the damage be for a small sized great sword with lead blade cast on it.

Great sword (medium) 2d6
Great sword (small) 1d10

Shouldn't the damage from a small great sword under the effects of Lead blade spell take it back up to 2d6? The rules says it jumps to 2d8 I am confused by this. please help.
Thanks.

No. Lead Blades advances damage die according to the size table progression you are on. In this case, it would be still Small.

The size table for small is not just the medium table cranked back one step.

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