How does channeling work on Dhampir?


Rules Questions


"Though a living creature, a dhampir reacts to positive and negative energy as if it were undead—positive energy harms it, while negative energy heals it. "

Obviously, this means when a cleric channels positive energy, it hurts a dhampir, and when one channels negative, it heals them, but when a cleric channels energy, they also choose whether to target living or undead creatures. Dhampir are not undead, but "they react to positive and negative energy as though they were undead." So, who does a cleric target to affect a dhampir - living creatures or undead ones?

Liberty's Edge

As far as I know, you're not an undead creature, and Channeling specifies you're affecting undead/not undead, so if you're standing next to a cleric who channels positive to heal, you're harmed by it (if they're friendly, it's easy enough to exclude you on a channeling focused character). There's a Dhampir feat that allows you to heal 1/2 from both, if it's an issue for you:

Life Dominant Soul


That's not my question though. I know that positive energy harms dhampir and negative energy heals them, but plenty of effects say "X affects you as though you were a Y," or "for the purposes of X, you are considered a Y." THAT is what I'm asking: is a dhampir "considered undead" for the purposes of channel targetting?

Liberty's Edge

AntipodeF wrote:
That's not my question though. I know that positive energy harms dhampir and negative energy heals them, but plenty of effects say "X affects you as though you were a Y," or "for the purposes of X, you are considered a Y." THAT is what I'm asking: is a dhampir "considered undead" for the purposes of channel targetting?

That's what I was attempting to say, albeit badly, apparently. Dhampirs are specified to react to the energy as if they were undead - at least how I've interpreted it, that's not affecting their type for purposes of channeling - just how they react to the energy once it has contacted them. So they are living creatures that are affected or not affected by the channel as all other living creatures, but the effect of said channel is as if the were undead.


Channeling specifies whether you're attacking or healing. So negative channeling to heal undead will heal a dhampir. Positive channeling to harm undead will hurt a dhampir. Negative energy to harm the living will not do anything to dhampir. Positive energy used to heal will not do anything to dhampir unless they have the feat.


Okay, it would seem I am failing to communicate my question clearly here. Let's get more specific:

Let's say there is a good cleric named... I dunno, "Gary," and an evil cleric named "Vladmir," in some kind of fight with a bunch of humans and zombies who aren't important enough to name, and also a Dhampir named "Danny." The following things happen in order:

1) Gary channels to heal all the living things around him.
2) Vladmir channels to hurt all the living things around him.
3) Gary channels to hurt all the undead around him.
4) Vladmir channels to heal all the undead around him.

On which turns was Danny affected by the channeling clerics? (assume that Danny was always close enough to Gary or Vladmir when they channeled)

Liberty's Edge

When I originally replied, I thought Danny would be hurt by Gary on turn 1, and healed by Vlad on turn 2, but upon further reading I'd agree with 'whew' - Life Dominant Soul specifies you're still hurt by channeling to harm undead, so without it I'd imagine that you're affected by turns 3 and 4 - hurt by Gary in turn 3 and healed by Vlad in turn 4.

Sczarni

Yeah, the way I have always run it agrees with whew.... The cleric chooses if he is channeling to heal or to harm, the burst goes out, and then anyone effected but energy of that type being used in that way is effected the way the cleric specified.

Shadow Lodge

I have a Dhampir Pathfinder Society character.

You have to remember two things:

1) Channeling can be positive or negative energy.
2) You must specify if you are trying to "heal" or trying to "harm".

1) Gary is good, therefore he positive channels to "heal" - The dhampir, who cannot be healed by positive energy (as undead are not) does not have anything happen. Vladimir wishes he had taken damage, because although the positive aura is pleasantly warm, doesn't heal any damage (but would have).

2) Vladimir is evil, therefore he negative channels to harm - The dhampir, who cannot be harmed by negative energy (as undead are not), does not have anything happen. Gary though does take damage because living people are harmed by negative energy to harm.

3) Gary again, being good, puts out positive energy in harm mode - The dhampir, being harmed by positive energy as undead says "OW!" and takes damage as if he were undead.

4) Vladimir, the evil cleric, puts out negative energy in heal mode - The dhampir, who is not harmed by negative energy, but instead healed by negative energy heals the damage he just took from Gary as if he were undead.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

MisterSlanky wrote:
  • 1) Gary is good, therefore he positive channels to "heal" - The dhampir ... doesn't heal any damage
  • 2) Vladimir is evil, therefore he negative channels to harm - The dhampir ... does not have anything happen.
  • 3) Gary again, being good, puts out positive energy in harm mode - The dhampir ... takes damage
  • 4) Vladimir, the evil cleric, puts out negative energy in heal mode - The dhampir ... heals the damage

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