Exotic Undersized Mount


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Silver Crusade 3/5 **** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Springfield

I was building a Hafling Hunter with a Deionchyus (Sp?) Velicoraptor Companion. I was thinking about taking Undersized Mount as my feat. So questions:

1) General question is does the Companion have a saddle slot, and where would I find this information? (I assume it does because I think caviliers can get them)

2) Ride penalties? Is it -5 for exotic, and another -5 if bareback?

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I have not seen any ruling that an animal companion of any stripe cannot wear a mundane saddle, exotic or otherwise. Their magic item slots are restricted, but that's a separate issue. It's dangerous to go alone. Here, take this.

I'm not aware of any exotic ride penalties. Bareback has a penalty noted in the ride skill.

Silver Crusade 3/5 **** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Springfield

I wasn't sure if "if you try to ride something ill-suited as a mount, you take a -5 on Ride checks" would apply to this.

Also, general question: can combat training be the bonus trick I learn, or is it implied that I know all the other tricks before?

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Heathwool wrote:
I wasn't sure if "if you try to ride something ill-suited as a mount, you take a -5 on Ride checks" would apply to this.

Yes, it would, and you're right that the penalties stack.

Heathwool wrote:
Also, general question: can combat training be the bonus trick I learn, or is it implied that I know all the other tricks before?

Combat training is a general purpose that takes up six tricks.

It seems a good idea to make the bonus trick "attack" again, so your companion is prepared to attack any creature.

Silver Crusade 3/5 **** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Springfield

Ok just making sure. I wasn't sure if Deinonychus was considered ill-suited or not, considering Beast Rider Cavaliers get access at 7th level.

Another question is about attacking. Familiars in essence have Weapon Finesse, but I couldn't find that same line in the Companion side. (Edit: Weapon Finesse is a Animal Feat, so that answers that)

A Second question is about Evolved Companion feat. It's text implies that only the PC can take the feat. Does that sound correct? (Edit: to clarify, this would be after I have 3 Intelligence)
- To build on that, can I select Improved Natural Armor from the 1-point evolution, and would that stack with my Companions Natural Armor AND the feat Improved Natural Armor?

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I don't think the raptor qualifies as ill suited as a mount. There's plenty of space for the (exotic) saddle.

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Heathwool wrote:
Ok just making sure. I wasn't sure if Deinonychus was considered ill-suited or not, considering Beast Rider Cavaliers get access at 7th level.

edit: That's a fair point and suggests that a deinonychus is a suitable mount at least for a Small Beast Rider.

Heathwool wrote:
Another question is about attacking. Familiars in essence have Weapon Finesse, but I couldn't find that same line in the Companion side. (Edit: Weapon Finesse is a Animal Feat, so that answers that)

Many familiars effectively get Weapon Finesse from their base form because they're Tiny creatures. This is not a general rule for companions.

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Heathwool wrote:

A Second question is about Evolved Companion feat. It's text implies that only the PC can take the feat. Does that sound correct? (Edit: to clarify, this would be after I have 3 Intelligence)

- To build on that, can I select Improved Natural Armor from the 1-point evolution, and would that stack with my Companions Natural Armor AND the feat Improved Natural Armor?

Evolved Companion is not legal for PFS so that basically answers the question for you.


Also remember the mount's carrying capacity.

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Jason Wu wrote:

Also remember the mount's carrying capacity.

Thankfully, Ant Haul is on the Druid/Ranger spell list.

I have a Halfling Ranger with the Undersized Mount fear and a Dire Rat mount. Never was quite sure if it qualified as 'ill-suited.' Great having a mount with both a swim and climb speed, though.

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In a fantasy setting it's hard to know what specifically constitutes an "ill-suited" mount.

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Expect table variation on what counts as unsuitable. I tend to treat anything that isn't mostly a four legged mammalian critter as unsuitable. I am fine with horses and camels as well as wolves and big cats. I impose the penalty for big birds and snakes. I haven't had to consider dinosaurs yet. I would probably impose it for those running on two legs like the deinychus but be OK with something like an ankylosaurus.

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but....ostrich riding is a real thing!

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Sure, but have you ever watched it, that does not look comfortable or easy compared to riding, say, a horse.


The aforementioned Beast Rider cavalier archetype is pretty much the only place in the rules that makes any kind of codification on what can be ridden.

-j

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Jason Wu wrote:

The aforementioned Beast Rider cavalier archetype is pretty much the only place in the rules that makes any kind of codification on what can be ridden.

-j

While it has a large list, that's a rather broad statement. There are plenty of places in the regional descriptions that say what different orders or peoples or whatever ride. Or sometimes in the animal's description itself.

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re: ill-suited, it's an undefined game term. My only answer on that would be to expect table variation. It certainly shouldn't be a blanket application to exotic mounts, in part because exotic isn't exactly defined, either. Is a wolf an exotic mount, despite the fact that it's a standard level 1 mount choice for small-sized cavaliers? Well, it certainly would be in the real world, but we don't have halflings or gnomes running around.

I'd probably apply it to snakes and vermin companions as a general rule, but other than that, I'd have to say it's a case-by-case basis. I don't think I'd hit your dinosaur with it.

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Serisan wrote:

re: ill-suited, it's an undefined game term. My only answer on that would be to expect table variation. It certainly shouldn't be a blanket application to exotic mounts, in part because exotic isn't exactly defined, either. Is a wolf an exotic mount, despite the fact that it's a standard level 1 mount choice for small-sized cavaliers? Well, it certainly would be in the real world, but we don't have halflings or gnomes running around.

I'd probably apply it to snakes and vermin companions as a general rule, but other than that, I'd have to say it's a case-by-case basis. I don't think I'd hit your dinosaur with it.

+1

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yes andreww, lots fall off, part of the fun of it

check out at 2:10

He's a pro! haha


there are tons of them to choose from

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plaidwandering wrote:

yes andreww, lots fall off, part of the fun of it

check out at 2:10

He's a pro! haha

Wheres the unikillable pterodactyl?

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