The arcanist bloodline development state
If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline.
the bloodrager gains a bloodline at first level. The class ability is called bloodline.
I'm wondering if I could take bloodline development and dip bloodrager to get my full bloodline for my 4+con rounds of bloodrage
yes, arcanist can increase your bloodrager bloodline
No.
Here's the full entry of that exploit:
The arcanist selects one sorcerer bloodline upon taking this exploit. The arcanist gains that bloodline's 1st-level bloodline power as though she were a 1st-level sorcerer. The arcanist must select an ordinary bloodline with this ability, not one altered by an archetype. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her latent nature, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her sorcerer level for the purpose of using this ability, which lasts for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as bloodline arcana or those bloodline powers gained at 3rd level or higher. If this ability is used to gain an arcane bond and a bonded item is selected, the arcanist can only use that item to cast spells of a level equal to the level of spell that could be cast by her equivalent sorcerer level (limiting her to 1st level spells unless she spends a point from her arcane reservoir). If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline.
The first sentence of that exploit explicitly calls out for a Sorcerer Bloodline. The exploit repeatedly mentions Sorcerer Bloodlines, and only Sorcerer Bloodlines.
In a home game, it wouldn't be unreasonable to allow it to work with Bloodrager Bloodlines; nor would it be overpowered. But as far as a PFS or by-the-book game is concerned, it does not work.
^Did this get Stealth Errata'd recently? I remember checking up on this on both www.d20pfsrd.com and these messageboards a few months ago when finding a way to make Blade Adept Arcanist viable, and I could have sworn it just said Bloodline, not Sorcerer Bloodline. Well, there goes another interesting build down the drain, following after the Gish Orc Scarred Witch Doctor . . . .
^Yes, you're right. I should have kept reading to make sure tha tthe last part of the Bloodline Development Arcane Exploit is still intact:
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If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline.
I think we're safe . . . For now.
Sorry to tag along like this, but this is the first time i've heard of Bloodline development, so I have a related question:
If i take bloodline development at level one, selecting arcane and getting a familiar, that means I get a familiar. Yay. If I later take levels in bloodrager, does the familiar get replaced by my bloodrager bloodline abilities?
Yes. If you have/gain a bloodline you don't get any other benefit besides stacking levels for that bloodline. So if you gain a bloodline that is different than the one you choose, you lose the benefits of the bloodline you originally choose.
Excellent, good for character development. "his loving, loyal, familiar died, and the nature of his bloodline changed, turning him angry and bitter-BLOOOOOOOOODRAGE."
Since it says "allows" instead of saying it must (similar wording to going into Dragon Disciple) I would say it wouldn't replace your familiar. Wouldn't stack either.
"If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline."
Note the wording as "Instead allows", if the wording was something like "If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline instead." then i would agree.
The placing of the word "instead" prior to allows indicates that if you gain a level in a class that has a bloodline the feat must switch to the text that follows.
If it had the alternate wording i just mentioned by having "instead" at the end of the sentence then it would be giving you a choice, but it doesnt.
At least, thats as clear and logical as I can make it, I could do with someone swooping in and rephrasing what just said more succinctly, bat whaaaatever.
"Instead allows"
"Allows instead"
*shrugs*
I Guess in the simplest terms, the word that precedes the rest "outranks" the following words due to the subtleties of the english language and the context of the ability.
But hey, maybe i'm wrong! *shrugs*
That's not really true. The sorcerer bloodline restriction is only relevant for when the arcanist has no bloodline. While the original text is in the opposite order, the rule is really: If you have a bloodline, arcanist levels stack with...No.
Here's the full entry of that exploit:
The arcanist selects one sorcerer bloodline upon taking this exploit. The arcanist gains that bloodline's 1st-level bloodline power as though she were a 1st-level sorcerer. The arcanist must select an ordinary bloodline with this ability, not one altered by an archetype. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her latent nature, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her sorcerer level for the purpose of using this ability, which lasts for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as bloodline arcana or those bloodline powers gained at 3rd level or higher. If this ability is used to gain an arcane bond and a bonded item is selected, the arcanist can only use that item to cast spells of a level equal to the level of spell that could be cast by her equivalent sorcerer level (limiting her to 1st level spells unless she spends a point from her arcane reservoir). If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline.The first sentence of that exploit explicitly calls out for a Sorcerer Bloodline. The exploit repeatedly mentions Sorcerer Bloodlines, and only Sorcerer Bloodlines.
In a home game, it wouldn't be unreasonable to allow it to work with Bloodrager Bloodlines; nor would it be overpowered. But as far as a PFS or by-the-book game is concerned, it does not work.
Considering all of the prior text specifically involves Sorcerer Bloodlines, it's most likely the intent that the whole stacking subject will still refer to Sorcerer Bloodlines only.
I understand the RAW argument, but again, I highly doubt it's RAI.
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That's not really true. The sorcerer bloodline restriction is only relevant for when the arcanist has no bloodline. While the original text is in the opposite order, the rule is really: If you have a bloodline, arcanist levels stack with...No.
Here's the full entry of that exploit:
The arcanist selects one sorcerer bloodline upon taking this exploit. The arcanist gains that bloodline's 1st-level bloodline power as though she were a 1st-level sorcerer. The arcanist must select an ordinary bloodline with this ability, not one altered by an archetype. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her latent nature, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her sorcerer level for the purpose of using this ability, which lasts for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as bloodline arcana or those bloodline powers gained at 3rd level or higher. If this ability is used to gain an arcane bond and a bonded item is selected, the arcanist can only use that item to cast spells of a level equal to the level of spell that could be cast by her equivalent sorcerer level (limiting her to 1st level spells unless she spends a point from her arcane reservoir). If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline.The first sentence of that exploit explicitly calls out for a Sorcerer Bloodline. The exploit repeatedly mentions Sorcerer Bloodlines, and only Sorcerer Bloodlines.
In a home game, it wouldn't be unreasonable to allow it to work with Bloodrager Bloodlines; nor would it be overpowered. But as far as a PFS or by-the-book game is concerned, it does not work.
Considering all of the prior text specifically involves Sorcerer Bloodlines, it's most likely the intent that the whole stacking subject will still refer to Sorcerer Bloodlines only.
I understand the RAW argument, but again, I highly doubt it's RAI.
Sorry for the thread necro, but I found this while researching arcanist bloodlines just like someone else might (besides, nothing really dies on the internet). Anywho, I just wanted to add that it is clearly RAI for this to bolster ANY bloodline the Arcanist might already have, not just Sorcerer bloodlines. The last line of the exploit specifically does NOT mention Sorcerers. In fact, it goes out of the way to specify that it will "stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline." If it were intended to work with Sorcerers only it would have called that out just like all the other Sorcerer mentions, but in the line about stacking they use the specifically generic "the class" that grants the bloodline. Seems pretty clear they mean any class, not just Sorcerers.