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Well, this is personally my first Ascetic Style question, as I've been away from Pathfinder for a little over a year now. I come back, and of course there are more books :D
Anyways;
Ascetic Style + Weapon Style Master + Crane Style(or some other Style aside from Pummeling). I want to make a more weapon focused Monk without being forced to be a Sohei or something other than Unchained Monk, essentially. Weapon Style Master and Crane Style/Other is just an example of what I'd combine it with.
Ascetic Style:
Benefit: Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks.*
Special: A 5th-level monk or character with the weapon training (monk) class feature can use Ascetic Style with any monk weapon, in addition to the chosen melee weapon.
It uses some of the same verbiage that Feral Combat Training uses. This leads me to believe I can effectively use my weapon for almost anything that I'd be forced to use my fists for, including any Feats that have IUS as a prereq.
Is this a correct understanding?
Is my Unarmed Damage(scaling) considered Augmentation of my Unarmed Strikes; and would that then replace the damage on say, a Temple Sword?
If I have an AoMF giving me something like... Ki Focus +3, and a Temple Sword giving me Flaming +2; Do these combine in any way, into one swing with the Temple Sword? If so, how exactly do they combine?
The "Feat" part of it makes sense for me and I feel pretty confident I understand it. I'll try to further google/search answers to specific Feat/Ascetic combinations if I ever have any.
Also from what I've read... Enhancement Bonuses would not stack, which is perfectly reasonable. I don't expect any bonus types of the same to stack.
It's "effects [of feats]", not "effects [any]". Not only is that the only interpretation that is compatible with the existence of the other feats in the chain, it's also the expressly stated author intent.
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Is my Unarmed Damage(scaling) considered Augmentation of my Unarmed Strikes;
Fun fact, is that this never worked for FCT despite most of the chatter on the forums saying the FAQ said it did. All the FAQ on FCT pre-errata said is you could swap out the damage dice, not upgrade the damage dice due to Unarmed being upgraded.
The use of the same confusing language wasn't intentional, the developer said it was an error. So you can consider the meaning of the language the same as the current FCT. That is if you want to be safe in your interpretation not likely to change.
Is my Unarmed Damage(scaling) considered Augmentation of my Unarmed Strikes;Fun fact, is that this never worked for FCT despite most of the chatter on the forums saying the FAQ said it did. All the FAQ on FCT pre-errata said is you could swap out the damage dice, not upgrade the damage dice due to Unarmed being upgraded.
Feral Combat Training and Unarmed Strike Damage: Does this allow me to use my monk unarmed damage with the selected natural attack?Yes. The feat says you can apply "effects that augment an unarmed strike," and the monk's increased unarmed damage counts as such.
There is zero room for interpretation in the old FAQ. As written, Ascetic Style has the exact same wording, and therefor can apply the UAS damage progression to your weapon.
But you want Ascetic Form anyway to use the extra attack for 1 ki and style strike, because the extra attack is not an augmentation and Ascetic Style doesn't overwrite the "specific body part" the style strikes have.
Thank you Gisher! That'll help when I ask my DM how he's gonna rule it.Here are the writer's posts on the subject.
You are welcome.
I'll also point out that you can't use Ascetic Style with a Temple Sword until your Monk is 5th level. It is a Monk weapon, but it isn't in the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.
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Thank you Gisher! That'll help when I ask my DM how he's gonna rule it.Here are the writer's posts on the subject.
You are welcome.
I'll also point out that you can't use Ascetic Style with a Temple Sword until your Monk is 5th level. It is a Monk weapon, but it isn't in the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.
Ah, good point. I may switch to the Sansetsukon then, and eventually the Temple Sword possibly.
Edit: Actually, look here: http://www.archivesofnethys.com/FighterWeapons.aspx
It's showing Temple Sword as one of them... right?
There is zero room for interpretation in the old FAQ. As written, Ascetic Style has the exact same wording, and therefor can apply the UAS damage progression to your weapon.
But you want Ascetic Form anyway to use the extra attack for 1 ki and style strike, because the extra attack is not an augmentation and Ascetic Style doesn't overwrite the "specific body part" the style strikes have.
The old FAQ that's no longer valid and was about a different ability allows "no room for interpretation"? Look, th elater feats in the chain contradict your interpretation, you are perfectly aware of the author clarification, and it's not a PFS issue, so what the f$*@ do you want?
You are welcome.
I'll also point out that you can't use Ascetic Style with a Temple Sword until your Monk is 5th level. It is a Monk weapon, but it isn't in the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.
Fixed recently in the Fighter Weapons Group Blog Post.
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There is zero room for interpretation in the old FAQ.Feral Combat Training and Unarmed Strike Damage: Does this allow me to use my monk unarmed damage with the selected natural attack?Yes. The feat says you can apply "effects that augment an unarmed strike," and the monk's increased unarmed damage counts as such.
Considering there was room and they changed it, I think your memory of history is wrong.
Specifically, that FAQ was trying to explain that you "can swap out the dice on your natural weapon for the static dice on your unarmed strike" but people too it to mean "you can bump up X times your natural weapon from your 1d3 -> unarmed bumps".
You are welcome.
I'll also point out that you can't use Ascetic Style with a Temple Sword until your Monk is 5th level. It is a Monk weapon, but it isn't in the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.
Fixed recently in the Fighter Weapons Group Blog Post.
If you're referring to this Blog, it hasn't been fixed.
The only source that lists temple sword as a "monk" fighter weapon group is Humans of Golarion, a player's companion that the blog doesn't cite.
You are welcome.
I'll also point out that you can't use Ascetic Style with a Temple Sword until your Monk is 5th level. It is a Monk weapon, but it isn't in the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.
Fixed recently in the Fighter Weapons Group Blog Post.
If you're referring to this Blog, it hasn't been fixed.
The only source that lists temple sword as a "monk" fighter weapon group is Humans of Golarion, a player's companion that the blog doesn't cite.
Damn, I just remembered that the blog post existed and checked the d20pfsrd. Well, fixed is fixed.
The old FAQ that's no longer valid and was about a different ability allows "no room for interpretation"? Look, th elater feats in the chain contradict your interpretation, you are perfectly aware of the author clarification, and it's not a PFS issue, so what the f#~! do you want?
No room for interpretation in regards to pre-errata Feral Combat Training.
So now we have to check every feat, archetype, item etc. in case the author planned something different? What about Sohei, where the author intent is directly contradicted by an official ruling by the Pathfinder Design Team? I have no problem with people using the "intended version" of the feats, but that's strictly houseruling.Where do the later feats contradict my interpretation? Ascetic Strike is still useful for non-monks.
Also, there is no "author clarification" (at least none that says "it doesn't work)). There is a "that's what I wanted the feat to do, but as written, it does something else" post. The author even said "that feat wasn't supposed to render Ascetic Strike useless for monks, like Ascetic Style currently does now." The author explicitly states that as written, you get the monk UAS damage progression without Ascetic Strike.
Considering there was room and they changed it, I think your memory of history is wrong.
No. I'm not talking about the feat, I said that the FAQ itself has/had no room for interpretation. It directly answered the exact question. I'm not arguing that for instance a Sansestukon would get any damage increases below level 12.
@Kazumetsa Raijin: Sorry for involuntarily cluttering your thread.
Sansetsukon (and Seven-Branched Sword) are pretty nice, but you have to choose between AoOs with the weapon and Deflect Arrows in any given round.
Damn, I just remembered that the blog post existed and checked the d20pfsrd. Well, fixed is fixed.
You are welcome.
I'll also point out that you can't use Ascetic Style with a Temple Sword until your Monk is 5th level. It is a Monk weapon, but it isn't in the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.
Fixed recently in the Fighter Weapons Group Blog Post.
If you're referring to this Blog, it hasn't been fixed.
The only source that lists temple sword as a "monk" fighter weapon group is Humans of Golarion, a player's companion that the blog doesn't cite.
I'm confused. You just acknowledged that the Blog isn't fixed, so how is it fixed?