Prone Kineticist


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Can she fire her K.blast?
Does the "when prone most ranged weapons can't be used unless x-bow" rule apply to spells/SLAs and Su abilities?

I'm inclined to say it doesn't because they aren't weapons, but thought it worth double checking.


You can shoot and no penalties

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Yeah, I can see why using a bow or throwing an axe, or even twirling a sling around might be difficult while prone. On the other hand I could see firing a musket while prone making it a little more accurate, but reloading would be a pain.

That said, casting spells can usually be done while prone. So I don't see why you couldn't use a kinetic blast while prone. Then again, unless you're taking fire from someone who can't close in for melee, why would you want to be prone?


It is a spell that "counts as a type of weapon for the purpose of feats such as Weapon Focus." Prone doesn't say anything about not being able to cast so you should be able to do it.


Kahel Stormbender wrote:


That said, casting spells can usually be done while prone. So I don't see why you couldn't use a kinetic blast while prone. Then again, unless you're taking fire from someone who can't close in for melee, why would you want to be prone?

Sometimes you don't have a choice :)

Thanks all.


I agreed with the others. I can see no reason why Kinetcists cannot use their blasts while Prone.


Similar question,

Can thrown weapons be used while prone, including an Alchemist's bombs?

PRD wrote:
Prone: The character is lying on the ground. A prone attacker has a –4 penalty on melee attack rolls and cannot use a ranged weapon (except for a crossbow). A prone defender gains a +4 bonus to Armor Class against ranged attacks, but takes a –4 penalty to AC against melee attacks.

By ranged weapon, is the prone condition disallowing the use of anything classified as a ranged weapon according to the weapon table, which would allow k-blast, bombs, melee weapons with a range increment etc. or is it all encompassing for ranged attacks?

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Gaothaire wrote:

Similar question,

Can thrown weapons be used while prone, including an Alchemist's bombs?

PRD wrote:
Prone: The character is lying on the ground. A prone attacker has a –4 penalty on melee attack rolls and cannot use a ranged weapon (except for a crossbow). A prone defender gains a +4 bonus to Armor Class against ranged attacks, but takes a –4 penalty to AC against melee attacks.
By ranged weapon, is the prone condition disallowing the use of anything classified as a ranged weapon according to the weapon table, which would allow k-blast, bombs, melee weapons with a range increment etc. or is it all encompassing for ranged attacks?

I'm pretty sure it's the former -- FAQs generally rule based on weapon category.

Still, this is kind of one of those unfortunate things where the core rulebook assumes that there will never be any ranged weapon other than bows, crossbows, and slings.

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I could easily see thrown weapons having either a reduced range, or being unusable while prone. It would be hard to get enough force behind the throw to be effective.


Kahel Stormbender wrote:
I could easily see thrown weapons having either a reduced range, or being unusable while prone. It would be hard to get enough force behind the throw to be effective.

So,

There is weapon focus, and weapon specialization Kinetic Blast.
So in this regard, it is a sort of "ranged weapon"

Ultimate Combat states that, like crossbows, firearms can be fired while prone (Page 136).

Next, you have:
Prone Shooterhttp://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/prone-slinger-combat

Which allows you to shoot a sling while prone.

So with these in mind, it looks like firearms and crossbows can be fired while prone. And slings can also be fired while prone because of a feat.

However, I would be inclined to allow kinetic blasts, under the assumption, that you can also take weapon focus "rays" and use rays while proned.

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That, and kinetic blast isn't actually a weapon?


Can a Kineticist gather power while prone? Text requires "both hands free (or all of her prehensile appendages free, for unusual kineticists)" and while you're not strictly holding anything while prone, your ability to move your arms and legs is inhibited by the ground being there.

The way I imagine gather power working (like the katas from LoA/LoK) would prohibit it from working while prone, but do the rules actually prevent it?

Gathering power is showy and unsubtle, so it would obviate the "stealth" reasons for going prone, but it still makes you harder to hit with ranged attacks so I could see wanting to do this.


no, nothing prevents it. your hands are free on the ground as much as they would be if you were standing.

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