Ok, I was checking the Swordtrained racial trait in the Race Builder... and I noticed that something was eeriely missing: a list of swords. They do list some, but not all.
That got me thinking: could we get a Sword weapon group? Right now, swords are spreaded across the Light Blades, Heavy Blades and Monk groups, if not more.
Axes, bows, spears, hammers and flails got their own, so why not swords? Sure, Light and Heavy Blades are there, but... why only put the greatsword in the same group as the scythe, or only put the rapier in the same group as the sickle?
So yeah, would it be okay to have a new weapon group dedicated to swordlike weapons?
Beside, Swordtrained would now be "automatically proficient with weapons from the Sword weapon group". That would be much easier to understand.
I think they may be a very niche ability to justify a new weapon group. Are there any other abilities that reference "swords" or "Sword Like"? you may just need to sit down with your GM and ask the quick question, "Swords are things with one handle generally less that two feet long and a blade protruding generally more than a foot from that handle, right?"
Swords as "niche"? New to me :P
It would help for one trait, but as a whole, other weapons have their respective groups based on their general look, except for swords.
A bardiche can be both a polearm and an axe, just like an club can be both a hammer and a thrown weapon.
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I think they may be a very niche ability to justify a new weapon group. Are there any other abilities that reference "swords" or "Sword Like"? you may just need to sit down with your GM and ask the quick question, "Swords are things with one handle generally less that two feet long and a blade protruding generally more than a foot from that handle, right?"Swords as "niche"? New to me :P
It would help for one trait, but as a whole, other weapons have their respective groups based on their general look, except for swords.
A bardiche can be both a polearm and an axe, just like an club can be both a hammer and a thrown weapon.
He means tengu- they are a relatively niche race, and the only ones that deal with 'sword like'.
Honestly, I doubt it will happen. Light and heavy blade groups exist, and they do a fairly good job cover the finesse and strength based builds. Little reason to create a new weapon group to cover something that is already covered. There seems like there are very few cases with people who are mechanically inconvenienced by the current system.
So at best, this is a very light aesthetic hang up. It would have been nice to bring up during the initial design...but now? Too much has been established (the existing weapon groups- it is always hard to update those properly-, advanced weapon training options, etc.) to really go to the effort.
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Having fought with both light and heavy blades, I can tell you that the techniques between the two are dramatically different. I think the classifications work well as they are. How you strike, defend, move, etc... can all change dramatically based on weight and style of the blade.
Just say that Swordtrained grants your Tengu proficiency with all Heavy Blades and all Light Blades. Done.
Why don't you write it up yourself, for starters?
Having fought with both light and heavy blades, I can tell you that the techniques between the two are dramatically different. I think the classifications work well as they are. How you strike, defend, move, etc... can all change dramatically based on weight and style of the blade.
The Axes group has the handaxe, battleaxe and greataxe.
So... why can't we have a Sword group again?
Having fought with both light and heavy blades, I can tell you that the techniques between the two are dramatically different. I think the classifications work well as they are. How you strike, defend, move, etc... can all change dramatically based on weight and style of the blade.
The Axes group has the handaxe, battleaxe and greataxe.
So... why can't we have a Sword group again?
It'd be really broad, containing more than anything other category.
There isn't much need. People only use one weapon anyway, after all.It would take up space in whatever book it was published in.
It would almost completely overlap two existing groups, giving little reason to take either of them.
To me a better question is, what weapons in the light blade and heavy blade weapon categories are not swords?
To me a better question is, what weapons in the light blade and heavy blade weapon categories are not swords?
From the heavies:
Chakram (round throwing thingy), scythe (gardening tool/slicy thingy).From the lights:
Kama (miniscythe), sickle (another miniscythe).
That's what I'd go with. Yes, it's a subjective thing -- the khopesh, for one, is 'similar to a battleaxe' but has sword-like stats plus trip. The falcata's even more axe-like, with the 19-20/x3 crit range.
And then comes the fun of wooden swords, and whether they're swordlike enough.
The only other time I've seen this come up are magic scabbards; I think there are a couple in Ultimate Equipment. As neat as the idea is, and with how there's some backing for it in myth, where's it leave Barbie the Earthbreaker-wielding Barbarian? 'Oh, wow, the dagger I use to eat at camp has magic properties from this enchanted scabbard. Whoop de stab.'
To me a better question is, what weapons in the light blade and heavy blade weapon categories are not swords?From the heavies:
Chakram (round throwing thingy), scythe (gardening tool/slicy thingy).
From the lights:
Kama (miniscythe), sickle (another miniscythe).That's what I'd go with. Yes, it's a subjective thing -- the khopesh, for one, is 'similar to a battleaxe' but has sword-like stats plus trip. The falcata's even more axe-like, with the 19-20/x3 crit range.
And then comes the fun of wooden swords, and whether they're swordlike enough.
I'd honestly put the Chakram in the Thrown group and the scythe, kama and sickle in the Axes group.
A "sword" is basically a very short hilt with a long blade, as opposed to an "axe" which is a long haft with a short blade.
Pretty much agree with you except you just made all spears into axes.To me a better question is, what weapons in the light blade and heavy blade weapon categories are not swords?From the heavies:
Chakram (round throwing thingy), scythe (gardening tool/slicy thingy).
From the lights:
Kama (miniscythe), sickle (another miniscythe).That's what I'd go with. Yes, it's a subjective thing -- the khopesh, for one, is 'similar to a battleaxe' but has sword-like stats plus trip. The falcata's even more axe-like, with the 19-20/x3 crit range.
And then comes the fun of wooden swords, and whether they're swordlike enough.
I'd honestly put the Chakram in the Thrown group and the scythe, kama and sickle in the Axes group.
A "sword" is basically a very short hilt with a long blade, as opposed to an "axe" which is a long haft with a short blade.
A hammer-like short blade, if you prefer.