Unchained Poisons / Diseases.

[fearcypher]

I picked up Pathfinder Unchained recently and I was looking at the poison and disease section. Is it just me or are the new diseases and poisons WAY deadlier than before. Sure the DCs are low but a con poison or a physical disease seems like a rapid death spiral to me.

Also the charisma poison with an end state of pliable seems like a really strong tool for interrogation.

Am i mistaken? Am I overlooking something?

[fearcypher]

Green lotus was the Charisma poison I was talking about.

[Myrryr]

Not at all. They're supposed to be far more dangerous. As it is, poisons are basically 'eh, we've got a wand of lesser restoration' and diseases are 'sick? Hahahaha, that's funny Mr. DM'.

I use the unchained poisons/diseases, the PC's don't laugh at snakes and non-classed ghouls anymore.

Also, Dex poisons are rogues best friends. When the wizard gets a scratch 1 damage blow dart and hears 'make a fort save', seeing his face go white and he instantly makes perc check... ah, it's delicious for rogues to be scary again.

[Kalindlara]

Yeah, I'm a big fan of these new rules (for all the reasons Myrryr gave).

[SheepishEidolon]

It seems to be on Paizo's recent agenda to make poisons more worthwhile. Dirty Tactics Toolbox had a lot of material about it, too. I hope we will get more ways to produce poisons ourselves (even if only x times per day), then I will gladly go for a poisoning rogue in actual play...

[fearcypher]

Also are the rules for healing the effects of poison still the same? Would it just require a lesser restoration to heal all the effects of the poison?