Yup, that question.
How can a pure monk, by the rules, get any non-monk weapon and use it with her monk abilities and not losing those abilities and use her abilities (flurry, ki) with it?
Ki Weapon or Sohei
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Ki Weapon or Sohei
Where's this "Ki Weapon"?
If you're talking about the Ki Focus magical weapon ability, it doesn't allow a monk to use a non-monk weapon as a monk weapon. It just lets you use your ki abilities with a weapon. So a monk with a Sai (which is a monk weapon) normally doesn't get his ki strike ability with the sai, and can't do quivering palm or stunning fist with his sai, but a "ki focus sai" allows the monk to use those abilities with his sai.
Now, if the same monk put ki focus on a longsword, the longsword does not become a monk weapon, so he still can't flurry with it, but he could stunning fist with it for what that's worth.
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Yup, that question.
How can a pure monk, by the rules, get any non-monk weapon and use it with her monk abilities and not losing those abilities and use her abilities (flurry, ki) with it?
Pure Monk is hard. If you can take one level in cleric to meet the prerequisites for Crusader's Flurry, you can treat your god's favored weapon as a monk weapon.
Another option, if you want a Katana, is to get a Blade Of The Sword Saint, which is a magic katana that a monk can use with flurry. It's a +3 ki intensifying Katana. It costs 75K, so not something you can normally get at low levels though.
If you're willing to take a template, the previously mentioned sohei monk works, but has serious trade offs.
Maybe others can come up with more ideas?
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On Crusader's Flurry, instead of one level of cleric, you could take any class that gives you channeling (subject to GM approval).
L2 Bard (Arcane Healer)
Oracle of Life (if you GM agrees that the Channel revelation counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
Shaman of Life (again, if GM agrees that the "Channel" spirit ability counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
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In the Weapon Master's Handbook, there is the Ascetic Style feat tree. While it does limit you to the Monk weapon group, there are several good weapons in that group that 1) the monk can use with his class features and 2) the monk isn't proficient with.
Ascetic Strike basically grants the Brawler's close weapon mastery, but with the chosen weapon, so... if you planned to get something out of a temple sword, quarterstaff, monk's spade, nine-ring broadsword or just about any weapon which damage is easily surpassed by your unarmed strike damage, these 2 feats are for you.
L2 Bard (Arcane Healer)
What is L2 Bard?
Mmmm, if channeling energy counts then druid could work also, right? But a druid monk sounds strange.
Crusader's flurry doesn't technically allow you to treat the weapon as a monk weapon, i.e. giving it the monk property, but only allowing you to flurry with it.
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Crusader's flurry doesn't technically allow you to treat the weapon as a monk weapon, i.e. giving it the monk property, but only allowing you to flurry with it.
I'm not seeing any of that in the feat. Its benefit is simply "You can use your deity’s favored weapon as if it were a monk weapon." Nothing in there about "only for the purpose of flurry of blows".
Note that while it lets you treat the weapon as though it had the monk property, it does not add it to the monk weapon group. This distinction can be important (for sohei or Ascetic Style, for example).
Technically speaking, this:
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a flurry of blows (see Classes).
You need the other ability to specifically say "can use monk weapons" or some such to use it.
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On Crusader's Flurry, instead of one level of cleric, you could take any class that gives you channeling (subject to GM approval).
L2 Bard (Arcane Healer)
Oracle of Life (if you GM agrees that the Channel revelation counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
Shaman of Life (again, if GM agrees that the "Channel" spirit ability counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
There's also the hex channeler witch, I believe. Paladins also get channel energy eventually.
The variant multiclass cleric gets it without any dips (in exchange for half your feats, admittedly).
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Technically speaking, this:
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a flurry of blows (see Classes).You need the other ability to specifically say "can use monk weapons" or some such to use it.
Interesting, if rather confusing. Thank you! ^_^
When you say "the other ability", what are you referring to specifically? The feat, or a class feature, or...?
Technically speaking, this:
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a flurry of blows (see Classes).You need the other ability to specifically say "can use monk weapons" or some such to use it.Interesting, if rather confusing. Thank you! ^_^
When you say "the other ability", what are you referring to specifically? The feat, or a class feature, or...?
He's saying that anything you wanted to use the Monk weapon for would have to say usable with Monk weapons.
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He's saying that anything you wanted to use the Monk weapon for would have to say usable with Monk weapons.Technically speaking, this:
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a flurry of blows (see Classes).You need the other ability to specifically say "can use monk weapons" or some such to use it.Interesting, if rather confusing. Thank you! ^_^
When you say "the other ability", what are you referring to specifically? The feat, or a class feature, or...?
I see - that's actually what I meant with my post!
So, to restate and clarify, Crusader's Flurry lets your deity's favored weapon work for flurry of blows, as well as anything that works with a monk weapon. It is not limited only to flurry of blows, but neither does it work for anything and everything.
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A weapon with the Monk descriptor is able to make a flurry of blows. A weapon in the Monk Fighter weapon group can be used with ascetic style. There are some areas that do not overlap on a venn diagram between the two.
The temple sword has the monk desciptor but is not in the monk fighter weapon group. The Tri-point double-edged sword and the urumi are in the monk fighter weapon group but do not have the monk descriptor.
Crusader's flurry allows you to treat the favored weapon as if it has the monk descriptor, but does not add it to the monk fighter weapon group.
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A weapon with the Monk descriptor is able to make a flurry of blows. A weapon in the Monk Fighter weapon group can be used with ascetic style. There are some areas that do not overlap on a venn diagram between the two.
The temple sword has the monk desciptor but is not in the monk fighter weapon group. The Tri-point double-edged sword and the urumi are in the monk fighter weapon group but do not have the monk descriptor.
Crusader's flurry allows you to treat the favored weapon as if it has the monk descriptor, but does not add it to the monk fighter weapon group.
Correct. I made sure to include this part in my original post.
On Crusader's Flurry, instead of one level of cleric, you could take any class that gives you channeling (subject to GM approval).
L2 Bard (Arcane Healer)
Oracle of Life (if you GM agrees that the Channel revelation counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
Shaman of Life (again, if GM agrees that the "Channel" spirit ability counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
Any divine caster of 4+ caster levels can take Adept Channel to gain "the channel energy class feature". They may have to take a feat for the familiar though.
Any divine caster of 4+ caster levels can take Adept Channel to gain "the channel energy class feature". They may have to take a feat for the familiar though.On Crusader's Flurry, instead of one level of cleric, you could take any class that gives you channeling (subject to GM approval).
L2 Bard (Arcane Healer)
Oracle of Life (if you GM agrees that the Channel revelation counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
Shaman of Life (again, if GM agrees that the "Channel" spirit ability counts as having the "channel energy class ability")
Adept Channel needs summon familiar class ability, which I think is different from familiar class ability.
Could someone answer why Sohei is suggested every time a subject like this one comes up?
At 6th level, a sohei gains weapon training in one of the following weapon groups, as the fighter class feature: bows, crossbows, monk weapons, polearms, spears, or thrown weapons.
The OP said all weapons and I don't see Axes and Blades in this list. Yet other threads have wanted Katanas and other blades and the Sohei was suggested as the Archetype to use.
Or hammers, clubs, etc. I think there's no way for a monk to get a longsword or a battleaxe as a monk weapon, or at least as her monk weapon.
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Could someone answer why Sohei is suggested every time a subject like this one comes up?
At 6th level, a sohei gains weapon training in one of the following weapon groups, as the fighter class feature: bows, crossbows, monk weapons, polearms, spears, or thrown weapons.The OP said all weapons and I don't see Axes and Blades in this list. Yet other threads have wanted Katanas and other blades and the Sohei was suggested as the Archetype to use.
Because when people ask the question they often have a certain weapon in mind and if the sohei can provide it, their real question is answered. Blame people hiding their reason for asking, not those that suggest the sohei.
Because when people ask the question they often have a certain weapon in mind and if the sohei can provide it, their real question is answered. Blame people hiding their reason for asking, not those that suggest the sohei.Could someone answer why Sohei is suggested every time a subject like this one comes up?
At 6th level, a sohei gains weapon training in one of the following weapon groups, as the fighter class feature: bows, crossbows, monk weapons, polearms, spears, or thrown weapons.The OP said all weapons and I don't see Axes and Blades in this list. Yet other threads have wanted Katanas and other blades and the Sohei was suggested as the Archetype to use.
Well, graystone is right, the sohei kind of solves part of the question.
But the sohei is not exactly a pure monk... so it doesn't solve the question, at the same time.
I understand the limitation of weapons in the monk as the limitation with armors of the wizard, but there are ways to ignore the armor limitation for the caster, i'd like to see something similar for the monk weapons.
Anyway, proposing the sohei is a valid answer, cause sheds some light on the topic.