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Hulking Hurler:
"You must go through Four Stars before you can become Five Stars."
So much whiskey that morning, afternoon, and night.
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Hulking Hurler:
"You must go through Four Stars before you can become Five Stars."So much whiskey that morning, afternoon, and night.
You get three stars and then see six.
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You get three stars and then see six.Hulking Hurler:
"You must go through Four Stars before you can become Five Stars."So much whiskey that morning, afternoon, and night.
I wasn't the one cut off. *COUGH!*<Ray>*COUGH!*
Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic
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Just a big joke to you all I see.
Two separate people have an hygiene issue of official PFS representatives and you all turn it into a grade-school shenanigans.
Well, if you have problems with a person's hygene, talk to THEM, don't post something on a messsageboard.
If they don't clean up their act, contact their 'boss' (AKA, go one up the chain GM-VA-VL-VC-RVC-OPM).
Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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Just a big joke to you all I see.
Two separate people have an hygiene issue of official PFS representatives and you all turn it into a grade-school shenanigans.
It can be an issue, but without quite a lot of details theres is very little we can do about it. As Auke suggested, talking to the offending parties is usually the way to go, after all they might not be aware of the problem.
The jokes are a forum thing, don't worry about it.
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I recommend a vigorous cross training regimen of whiskey and malt liquor. THUNDERLIPS! approved.KEITH STILL NEEDS A POWER NAP.PaizoCon powernaps seem to be inevitable, with the way this discussion is going.You have much to learn Padawan.
191 days of intense training required.
Just a big joke to you all I see.
Two separate people have an hygiene issue of official PFS representatives and you all turn it into a grade-school shenanigans.
What grade school did you go to?
But yes - the subject has been addressed and forum shenanigans do in fact occur.
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If it is impossible to talk to the Captain or the Lieutenant, whether for personal psycho-social reasons or group dynamics, there is the recourse of kicking it further 'up' the chain.
Just be aware, though, that people ARE people, and most folks don't appreciate it when someone goes over their head to handle an issue they thought could be handled in person.
Truth in text: I sometimes have hygiene issues, whether through hard work or through food combinations or illness. A co-worker at my work place didn't even BOTHER to mention it to me, and went straight to management about the concern (which I was *already quite well aware of and was trying to work WITH management to handle*).
This had understandable results that was detrimental to both morale in the workplace as well as the social dynamic.
This does lead to a very different thought-provoking question, though...
If one volunteers for a big convention, and is issued shirts, how many does a volunteer get, and how soon do they get them to launder them?
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For GenCon (my only concrete experience), you receive a shirt for every day you're running games. No laundering needed.
How soon *before* a given convention would one get those shirts. Some react... poorly to 'fresh from the box' and would need to launder them?
Tangentially related to original topic, can be answered privately to prevent a complete derail. Again.
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For GenCon (my only concrete experience), you receive a shirt for every day you're running games. No laundering needed.How soon *before* a given convention would one get those shirts. Some react... poorly to 'fresh from the box' and would need to launder them?
Tangentially related to original topic, can be answered privately to prevent a complete derail. Again.
For your first year, you get them when you check in Wednesday night and get them when you get your badge.
After that, it is up to you to bring them freshly laundered every year.
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Just a big joke to you all I see.
Two separate people have an hygiene issue of official PFS representatives and you all turn it into a grade-school shenanigans.
To be fair, this is an issue that involves every person who plays, GMs, coordinates, organizes, or oversees any PFS game. It isn't strictly limited to Venture-Officers.
I, too, am somewhat displeased that most people here have turned this into a joke when, in reality, it is a serious matter.
But, people here (if you wade through the jokes and whatever) have provided good advice and sound ideas for everyone to follow.
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Venture-Agent, Minnesota
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I answered this thread seriously the first time I posted, but I think of the humor that followed as a good thing, not a bad thing.
Humorous replies:
- relieve tension and make uncomfortable topics easier to discuss;
- inspire people reading this thread to see both the serious and not-serious repiles;
- keep this thread visible and at the top of the forum so more people can comment;
- make all of us at least think about the hygiene issue and what we personally can do to improve our own.
Comedians can breech a serious subject that might otherwise not be addressed. Humor helps us join as a community, and helps us touch subjects that would otherwise be taboo.
And now to go back on topic:
Remember your unscented baby wipes and fresh t-shirts! Those who play with you will thank you for it.
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Certainly, the title of the thread is a bit of a flame bait. I'm glad nobody took it. This type of query is certainly not typically appropriate for public posting. Private conversations and shooting it up the ladder privately are the most appropriate ways to handle it.
When uncomfortable issues, like hygeine, are opened up to public, often the response will be humor to cover feeling uncomfortable. I have no issue with this.
But it's probably time to let this thread die. Question asked and answered.
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There have been plenty of serious, thoughtful answers from VOs and regular players. What questions do you have that have not been addressed?Who to complain to when you smell like rancid cabbages?
Assuming it's not that, *and* you've raised it politely, your best bet is to talk to the store organizer or owner about it.
I would hope that any V-O who's been called on their hygiene by their colleagues would make a change.
EDIT: If you don't get resolution on the matter through this route, look here for the name of the person who is your Regional V-C, a new position that is the "next level up".
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I would like to add to the posts offering genuine hygiene advice:
I used to have frequent body odor problems. Then I switched to a mineral salt deodorant. It's a big salt crystal that I rub on my wet armpits. It has no fragrance and prevents odor-causing bacteria from growing. A couple of years ago, I was too badly injured to take a shower but still made it through an entire convention without stinking. It wasn't just wishful thinking; my wife would have complained. :)
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You know, even more than "gamer funk", I've encountered "Smokers Aura" as a problem.
Bugs me a bunch. Someone who seems to have smoke linger around them at a 5' or possibly 10' "aura".
I'm normally to bashful to mention it though. If I'm stuck at a table with one of these guys (almost always male), I just tend to sit as far from them as possible. And avoid them the next game.
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You know, even more than "gamer funk", I've encountered "Smokers Aura" as a problem.
Bugs me a bunch. Someone who seems to have smoke linger around them at a 5' or possibly 10' "aura".
I'm normally to bashful to mention it though. If I'm stuck at a table with one of these guys (almost always male), I just tend to sit as far from them as possible. And avoid them the next game.
Two years ago at Gen Con, they hadn't solidified the 'vaping' rules, and there were people vaping at a couple of the tables I was at during the convention, until I started getting ill and people started wondering why.
Last year someone attempted to vape (after the law had updated) and the entire table looked at the person and said 'Are you TRYING to get thrown out of the convention?' Queue the confused look on the fellow player's face.
Fifteen years ago, I probably would have had the same smoking aura around me, cloying, nasty -- I was smoking some nasty things and they really 'clung'.
Ten years ago, I probably wouldn't've said anything about it.
Five years ago, I started noticing I got *ill* in such an aura.
In this past year, I've gotten to the point where I'll try to be polite about it, and ask to be seated elsewhere at a given table if possible. No use getting sick over something like that.
