Uses and abuses of the Occult Origins Rebirth Psychic discipline


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


For those who were a little disappointed with the Occult Adventures options for the Psychic should check out the new Rebirth discipline from Occult Origins, already included in the pfsrd here.

Of greatest note is this discipline ability:

Occult Origins wrote:
Mnemonic Esoterica (Ex): By reaching into the recesses of your past lives, you gain knowledge beyond that of most psychics. Select a single additional spellcasting class. Once per day when you prepare your spells, you can add one spell from this class’s spell list to your spells known and class spell list for 24 hours. This spell must be 1 level lower than the highest-level spell you can cast, and you cast it as if it were psychic magic (Pathfinder RPG Occult Adventures 144). You can decide to change the spellcasting class from which you draw this spell each time you gain a new level.

Um, wow.

Beyond the obvious floating utility of this, it has some pretty strong synergy with the Amnesiac archetype to get multiple floating spells known per day, so you can take a step and a half towards prepared caster flexibility and differentiate yourself from Sorcerer builds.

You can also combo nicely with Scribe Scroll to load up on ace in the hole utility spells during downtime. You're going to have to UMD them, so either give them to an appropriate party member or take Pragmatic Activator/Dangerously Curious as traits.

A human with all of these options is pretty amazingly flexible at mid levels, and can still use phrenic amplifications like Overpowering Mind and Undercast Surge to maximize their hitting power with mind affecting attacks in the usual Psychic wheelhouse.

Anyway, take a look at it. The spell list is largely garbage, but there's a few really good information gathering options (Contact Other Plane two levels early?!) and you also get your own version of Bardic Knowledge. The other two discipline powers are decent.

Edit: Actually, the floating spell if it's also on the Psychic list would let you scribe scrolls that you could use without a UMD, so that's potentially even more useful, although you might take a level penalty (e.g. you are borrowing from the Wizard list and scribe Plane Shift as a level 7 rather than take it as a known level 5).

Grand Lodge

I'm thinking of doing a Rebirth Psychic for an upcoming PFS game next week. Are they still considered strong? Does the floating spell option actually allow you to bypass UMD?

Shadow Lodge

I love grabbing spells off the Paladin list. Holy Sword is a 4th level spell, so Samsarans can get it at level 7 and Rebirth Psychics level 8. This is amazingly broken.

Other uses include a lv1 Lesser Restoration.

Grand Lodge

Hmm, that's interesting... and opens up so many possibilities, probably too many in fact! lol


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Dhrakken wrote:
I'm thinking of doing a Rebirth Psychic for an upcoming PFS game next week. Are they still considered strong? Does the floating spell option actually allow you to bypass UMD?

The Mnemonic Esoterica ability does say that you add one spell to your spells known as well as to your class spell list. The part about adding it to you class spell list prevents you from having to use the Use Magic Device skill for scrolls, wands, and the like that contain that spell.

Note that there are other classes with similar abilities. For example, the Medium, when channeling the Archmage or the Hierophant, bumps up his spellcasting from 4 spell levels to 6 spell levels and can choose one spell per spell level (from the Sorcerer/Wizard or Cleric spell list, respectively) to add to his spells known and his class spell list for the day.

And don't forget about that Samsaran racial ability that can add a bunch of spells from another class to the spell list of your primary class, permanently.


Be aware that in PFS there's a campaign clarification that spells borrowed from other classes use scroll rules for determining level. So no level 1 lesser restoration. For unique spells like Holy Sword, it can work, though. That said, you've got to lock a class for a whole level so pick something you're content to shuffle through. I've gotten a lot of mileage with Bard and Cleric, but my rebirth psychic is Psychic 7 / Loremaster 1 -- he plays a bit like a full caster bard.

The Concordance

I tend to pick up evocation/conjuration options using Mnemonic Esoterica to add some blasting or control to the otherwise mind-effect focused Psychic list.


David knott 242 wrote:
Dhrakken wrote:
I'm thinking of doing a Rebirth Psychic for an upcoming PFS game next week. Are they still considered strong? Does the floating spell option actually allow you to bypass UMD?

The Mnemonic Esoterica ability does say that you add one spell to your spells known as well as to your class spell list. The part about adding it to you class spell list prevents you from having to use the Use Magic Device skill for scrolls, wands, and the like that contain that spell.

Yeah, but that's not really where it gets complicated. Ok, if I have added fireball to my spell list, using Mnemonic Esoterica (ME), I can cast fireball, use spell-completion devices that use fireball, and use it for *ITEM CREATION* feats. It is on my spells know and my class list... Being a guy who likes to drive my GM crazy, I use my Scribe Scroll feat to make a scroll of Fireball. The next day, I take a different spell for ME - Lightning Bolt. Can I now not use the scroll without a UMD check?

Arguments in favor - I wrote it, so it has to be a psychic spell, which makes it part of my class list, and therefore usable without a UMD check.
Arguments against - Fireball is not part of the general psychic list, and it's not your ME spell now.

I am not aware of a ruling for this case...

Grand Lodge

Interesting arguments... except this is for PFS so scribe scroll is off the table.

Shadow Lodge

I'd say no, because even if it is a psychic scroll(ignoring that scrolls make no such distinction between the magics for purposes of this kind) it's not on your list anymore. You'd need UMD.


pad300 wrote:
The next day, I take a different spell for ME - Lightning Bolt. Can I now not use the scroll without a UMD check?

No. You can only use the item when the spell is actively on your list. If you pick up Fireball again you can do it without, but on days where you've gotten something else it's not on your list.

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