im building a new character im just wondering what do you guys feel how much a feat is worth and ability points are worth.
looking at half elf Kindred-Raised or losing skill focus for a weapon proficiency
how do you guys weigh those aspects in character creation
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Feats are EASILY worth more than ability points in my opinion to the point where I'd love my racial ability adjustments to gain another feat. Losing skill focus is fine for a weapon prof as long as you're going to use it, since a +3 is nice, but a new weapon can completely change the way you play your character.
looking at half elf Kindred-Raised or losing skill focus for a weapon proficiency
Hmm, you'd need a class (respective character concept) which really needs Charisma AND another score. Else you could simply take +2 Charisma and keep the little goodies. Skill Focus: Perception should be solid, for instance.
Skill Focus vs weapon proficiency is feat vs. feat. A martial character will likely take the proficiency (unless it's provided by a class feature anyway), a caster would probably prefer Skill Focus (e.g. Spellcraft). Experts like rogues and bards pretty much sit on the fence here, I feel. If you have trouble to decide, probably both are roughly of equal value and you could take one randomly without losing much. Or take both, if they feel valueable.
Feats are EASILY worth more than ability points in my opinion to the point where I'd love my racial ability adjustments to gain another feat. Losing skill focus is fine for a weapon prof as long as you're going to use it, since a +3 is nice, but a new weapon can completely change the way you play your character.
I'm very much the opposite. It's easier for me to make up feats lost than characteristics lost. It does depend on the build though.
Depends on the feat and how SAD you are. A wizard getting a +2 int is almost always strictly better than spell focus. A fighter getting improved critical may be better than a +2 str bonus.
The question is too broad and vague to be answered.
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Str: It takes about 2.5 feats to equal a +2(unless two-handing in which case it take more like 3)
Dex: It takes about 2.5 feats to equal a +2
Con: It takes about 1.5 feats to equal a +2
Int: It takes about 5 feats to equal a +2
Wis: It takes about 1.5 feats to equal a +2
Cha: It takes 1 feat to equal a +2
Int>Str=Dex>Con=Wis>Cha
Of course you include what class you are playing and what the build requires a minimum, but mostly the above. For racial traits specifically in your case the +2 Cha is only worth it if you would already be putting the +2 a Half-Elf would get there anyway, and the weapon proficiency is worth it if your concept needs it(and isn't a huge loss if you happen to just want to use a cool weapon.)
was thinking paladin so +2 to str and cha seem nice
Cha: It takes 1 feat to equal a +2
What feat (or feats) would that be? My character like +Cha.
/cevah
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This is the process I use for making the decision. What do I gain from the stat boost. Most of the time you gain +1 in all associated skills, maybe +1 to a save, then the primary effect attack/damage/hp/initiative. All you +1s treat as traits like reactionary, save boost, etc. Every 2 traits are worth 1 feat. In addition to the primary outcomes like +2 to attack stat, +2 to damage is a feat, +2 to con is toughness, +2 to int is better than the skilled human racial trait these are all feats.
I should add the math I use for +1 to a associated skill for every 4 skills I will use I call that equal to a trait.
You can see this logic in an above post but I though I would break down how I get to Helcack's conclusion.
Then you have to get subjective. Is the hodg-podg of traits and feats better than one specific feat you chose. If it means not getting power attack on a two hander, or having to wait 2 extra level to get weapon finesse then likely no. You don't want to dramatically put off the core of your build, but if you can take a +2 to a stat in almost always mathimatically better.
Str: It takes about 2.5 feats to equal a +2(unless two-handing in which case it take more like 3)
Dex: It takes about 2.5 feats to equal a +2
Con: It takes about 1.5 feats to equal a +2
Int: It takes about 5 feats to equal a +2
Wis: It takes about 1.5 feats to equal a +2
Cha: It takes 1 feat to equal a +2Int>Str=Dex>Con=Wis>Cha
Of course you include what class you are playing and what the build requires a minimum, but mostly the above. For racial traits specifically in your case the +2 Cha is only worth it if you would already be putting the +2 a Half-Elf would get there anyway, and the weapon proficiency is worth it if your concept needs it(and isn't a huge loss if you happen to just want to use a cool weapon.)
I don't think that's an even remotely useful metric.
For example, power attack for a 12th lvl character equates to -8str to attack, +16str to damage, and +0 str to skills and carrying capacity.
That's clearly better than taking +2 str.
Likewise, having improved initiative might be worth more than the total of +2 dex to a sorcerer, but it's certainly not worth more than the bonus spells and increased save DC you'd get from +2 charisma.