Skin Stealer and True Seeing.

[Stephen Ede]

The Skin Stealer has the following Supernatural ability -

SPECIAL ABILITIES
Steal Skin (Su)

As a full-round action, a skin stealer may steal the skin of a creature of Small, Medium, or Large size with a roughly humanoid shape. The target creature must be dead, helpless, or willing. If the target creature is alive, the skin stealer must make a successful coup de grace attack to steal its skin. The skin stealer can don or remove a stolen skin as a move action. When wearing a stolen skin, the skin stealer takes on the likeness of the skin's original owner, including the victim's voice, build, and size, but gains none of the creature's abilities. The stolen skin grants the skin stealer a +10 bonus on Disguise checks, with none of the usual penalties for different gender, race, age, and size. Stolen skins are preserved and remain as supple as living skin. A skin stealer may only steal and use a number of skins equal to its Charisma score. The skin stealer may choose to discard unwanted skins to make room for new ones at any time; discarded skins rot and decay normally.

How would this interact with this interact with True Seeing? Obviously it would lose the +10 Disguise bonus but would they be glaringly obvious as wearing someone elses skin or would it simply be a Perception roll vs the Skin Stealers Disguise ability without the bonus?

Thanks

True Seeing -
DESCRIPTION
You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things. Further, the subject can focus its vision to see into the Ethereal Plane (but not into extra-dimensional spaces). The range of true seeing conferred is 120 feet.

True seeing, however, does not penetrate solid objects. It in no way confers X-ray vision or its equivalent. It does not negate concealment, including that caused by fog and the like. True seeing does not help the viewer see through mundane disguises, spot creatures who are simply hiding, or notice secret doors hidden by mundane means. In addition, the spell effects cannot be further enhanced with known magic, so one cannot use true seeing through a crystal ball or in conjunction with clairaudience/clairvoyance.

[My Self]

They'd be wearing someone else's skin. It's a supernormal effect and is not a mundane disguise.

[CampinCarl9127]

True seeing does not penetrate solid objects. Skin is a solid object.

[Aelryinth]

It would be obvious that it's a creature wearing a magical disguise. Because it is actually 'inside' the skin, the nature of the creature would not be apparent, nor would it be obvious that it's actually inside a skin.

It would simply be obvious that there's a magical disguise at work on this creature that is quite effective, but you wouldn't have any real idea as to it's nature until you poke the hornet's nest.

"My lord, that is not Lady Kafka, and probably not even human!" would be about the extent of it.

==Aelryinth

[CampinCarl9127]

I disagree. I would say it falls under a mundane, if gritty, disguise.

[Metal Sonic]

CampinCarl9127 wrote:

I disagree. I would say it falls under a mundane, if gritty, disguise.

Sorry, but I fail to see how a Supernatural ability is a "mundane" disguise...

[Aelryinth]

IF IT WAS Ex, I'd agree with you, Carl. Since it's Su, it's clearly magical and True Seeing will see through it.

==Aelryinth

[CampinCarl9127]

Hmm that is a very good point. Categorically it is a supernatural ability, and therefore a magical ability. I'm just having trouble combining that with how the creature is actually wearing skin, which is a form of mundane disguise.

I suppose the best way to explain it is since the creature can change shape, it would technically be a polymorph effect.

I would rule that you see what appears to be a creature wearing a layer of dead flesh.

[James Risner]

I'm on the "since Su True Seeing sees thru it" bandwagon.

[Purple Dragon Knight]

James Risner wrote:

I'm on the "since Su True Seeing sees thru it" bandwagon.

ok... me too

[Jokem]

Is the Skin Stealer ability a poly morph effect?
If so then True Seeing ought to reveal it.

[Stephen Ede]

Thanks people.
It's my new Kingmaker Campaign. 4 Skin Stealers.
They're looking at starting their Kingdom with each PC running 3 different positions/persons (3 different Skins) and each spend 1 week doing the duties of one position leaving 1 week for adventuring.
The King, Queen and High Priest will all be the same person, an Oracle. :-|

Perverted but cute.

PS. It's not looking like been a "good" party. lol

PPS. One of the party is taking multiple ranks in Needle craft. Sewing the skins up if the initial killing is messy.

[Montezuma]

Stephen Ede wrote:

Thanks people.

It's my new Kingmaker Campaign. 4 Skin Stealers.
They're looking at starting their Kingdom with each PC running 3 different positions/persons (3 different Skins) and each spend 1 week doing the duties of one position leaving 1 week for adventuring.
The King, Queen and High Priest will all be the same person, an Oracle. :-|

Perverted but cute.

PS. It's not looking like been a "good" party. lol

PPS. One of the party is taking multiple ranks in Needle craft. Sewing the skins up if the initial killing is messy.

this reminds me of Mrs. Doubtfire. I hope you can hastily don those disguises.

[Peregrino Gris]

The way I see it, is that the skin stealer has a supernatural ability to steal, preserve and convert a skin in to a mundane disguise. The ability to use a living skin as a disguise is supernatural (magic) the disguise itself not.

But in the name of fairness it would be a Perception roll vs the Skin Stealers Disguise ability without the bonus.

[Ridiculon]

Protip: get some source of Nondetection, True Seeing is a divination spell so Nondetection will give you some defense in the form of a caster level check against it.