I was looking at the pistolero archetype and it states that you must pick a pistol at first level. I was just wondering, does a revolver count as a pistol. also does it mean that you have to pick the regular pistol or could you pick a coat pistol or a dagger pistol or a dragon pistol etc?
Pistol in this context means a one handed firearm, as opposed to a rifle. Which firearm you can take depends on the firearms level of the campaign. PFS Golarion is "emerging" so you're limited to the more primitive weapons. (no six-shooters for you!)
thats fine, I don't play society anyway. I'm in the uk so I don't think theres any society community local to me.
Historically, most revolvers are pistols, but not all.
Colt made a revolving rifle/carbine
Hotchkiss made a revolving cannon
The famous Gatling Gun is a revolver
The minigun is a revolver
In this case, by "revolver" you mean "revolving pistol" and that answers the question itself.
Pistol in this context means a one handed firearm, as opposed to a rifle. Which firearm you can take depends on the firearms level of the campaign. PFS Golarion is "emerging" so you're limited to the more primitive weapons. (no six-shooters for you!)
thats fine, I don't play society anyway. I'm in the uk so I don't think theres any society community local to me. thanks for telling me the answer :)
Historically, most revolvers are pistols, but not all.
Colt made a revolving rifle/carbine
Hotchkiss made a revolving cannon
The famous Gatling Gun is a revolver
The minigun is a revolverIn this case, by "revolver" you mean "revolving pistol" and that answers the question itself.
well the list I'm looking at on d20pfsrd just says revolver.
I was looking at the pistolero archetype and it states that you must pick a pistol at first level. I was just wondering, does a revolver count as a pistol. also does it mean that you have to pick the regular pistol or could you pick a coat pistol or a dagger pistol or a dragon pistol etc?
Apparently, I'm the weird one here but there's a specific weapon on the weapons list called "pistol". I don't see how "A pistolero must take a pistol when she chooses a battered firearm at 1st level" doesn't mean the specific weapon named in the specific text. Otherwise, they'd just say "one-handed firearm".
Pistol in this context means a one handed firearm, as opposed to a rifle. Which firearm you can take depends on the firearms level of the campaign. PFS Golarion is "emerging" so you're limited to the more primitive weapons. (no six-shooters for you!)
I disagree. In context, "One handed firearm" means "one handed firearm" and "pistol" means "pistol". The text is very plain and very clear. They even explicitly say "one handed firearms" in the weapon proficiency section and "pistol" in the gunsmith section. The context is clear, the words are plain, I don't see how there's any confusion on this.
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Pistol in this context means a one handed firearm, as opposed to a rifle. Which firearm you can take depends on the firearms level of the campaign. PFS Golarion is "emerging" so you're limited to the more primitive weapons. (no six-shooters for you!)thats fine, I don't play society anyway. I'm in the uk so I don't think theres any society community local to me. thanks for telling me the answer :)
Not sure where you are, but it looks like there are local venture officers in Brighton, Cambridge, London, Manchester, Belfast and Newtownabbey.
If you're interested, take a look at this page to contact your nearest venture officer and they can help you find a local game.
Reading from a rules perspective, it is the pistol.
Reading from an English language comprehension perspective, it can be a revolver.
Neither perspective is "wrong", but I am inclined to go with the terms as defined by the game. Also it would seem terribly broken to me for a character to gain a revolver at level 1 (unless you're playing in a "guns everywhere" setting).
But I digress: ask the GM.
You can make a case for either THE pistol or A pistol but in the end you need to check with your GM before hand. If the campaign takes place in a world with revolvers than a couple of archetypes kind of fall apart, i.e. why is that guy carrying around a wheelock in the age of percussion caps? likewise maybe you show up with a revolver but the GM says metal cartridges dont exist yet.
EDIT: i am beginning to think all Gunslinger threads should have an "Ask the GM first" disclaimer in them. no other class is as controversial from my experience.
Summoner and Paladin come pretty close.
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Really depends on the spread firearms in the campaign setting. For the 'Emerging Guns' and 'Commonplace Guns' levels it would be a pistol, but at 'Guns Everywhere' the gunsmith class feature itself is removed entirely and you get 'gun training' starting at 1st level instead.
Thus, I'd say you can never get a revolver for 'gunsmithing', but in a 'Guns Everywhere' campaign it's irrelevant because the ability is removed (and unnecessary).
Whether you can use a 'Pistol, coat', 'Pistol, dragon', et cetera or just a "Pistol" for gunsmithing is less clear. I'd allow any of them.
I am not aware of any sense in which "pistol" is a general class of weapons in Pathfinder. Revolvers are one-handed firearms. So are pistols.
Pistol in this context means a one handed firearm, as opposed to a rifle. Which firearm you can take depends on the firearms level of the campaign. PFS Golarion is "emerging" so you're limited to the more primitive weapons. (no six-shooters for you!)thats fine, I don't play society anyway. I'm in the uk so I don't think theres any society community local to me. thanks for telling me the answer :)Not sure where you are, but it looks like there are local venture officers in Brighton, Cambridge, London, Manchester, Belfast and Newtownabbey.
If you're interested, take a look at this page to contact your nearest venture officer and they can help you find a local game.
yeah, where I live its a pretty far trek for me. its a shame that in the entire country we only have 5 locations.
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yeah, where I live its a pretty far trek for me. its a shame that in the entire country we only have 5 locations.Pistol in this context means a one handed firearm, as opposed to a rifle. Which firearm you can take depends on the firearms level of the campaign. PFS Golarion is "emerging" so you're limited to the more primitive weapons. (no six-shooters for you!)thats fine, I don't play society anyway. I'm in the uk so I don't think theres any society community local to me. thanks for telling me the answer :)Not sure where you are, but it looks like there are local venture officers in Brighton, Cambridge, London, Manchester, Belfast and Newtownabbey.
If you're interested, take a look at this page to contact your nearest venture officer and they can help you find a local game.
Those are the locations of the venture officers, but PFS volunteers often will travel a bit and organize different regional games. The closest one to you might be able to direct you to a closer game day that you can attend.
The events page here shows a few different upcoming events in different cities. You can search by region using the check boxes on the lefthand side of the page.
I'm throwing in a vote for it meaning the pistol specifically or else it would've said "a one-handed firearm." Pistols in pathfinder are muzzleloaded singleshot firearms, whereas a revolver is a revolver (not gonna explain it) but there is a difference. If you need more rules text, the base gunslinger can only pick from the pistol, musket, or blunderbuss (and the souble-barrel counterparts, I think; probably not).
The Gunsmith class feature refers to specific weapons. You can't choose a revolver.
I'm throwing in a vote for it meaning the pistol specifically or else it would've said "a one-handed firearm." Pistols in pathfinder are muzzleloaded singleshot firearms, whereas a revolver is a revolver (not gonna explain it) but there is a difference. If you need more rules text, the base gunslinger can only pick from the pistol, musket, or blunderbuss (and the souble-barrel counterparts, I think; probably not).I think the intent is pretty clearly not. The whole point of it is to get you a basic firearm, despite the high cost, not to let you pick the best one available.
The entry on weapon proficiency uses the term "one-handed firearm". To me, it's clear the intent is "pistol" or they would have used consistent language in the two adjacent entries.
I agree with the pistol only side. We have to use the Pathfinder definition of words when specified, not the English definition.
Reading from a rules perspective, it is the pistol.
Reading from an English language comprehension perspective, it can be a revolver.
Neither perspective is "wrong", but I am inclined to go with the terms as defined by the game. Also it would seem terribly broken to me for a character to gain a revolver at level 1 (unless you're playing in a "guns everywhere" setting).
But I digress: ask the GM.
That is reasonable. For PFS, be conservative, though, to avoid issues.
I'm throwing in a vote for it meaning the pistol specifically or else it would've said "a one-handed firearm." Pistols in pathfinder are muzzleloaded singleshot firearms, whereas a revolver is a revolver (not gonna explain it) but there is a difference. If you need more rules text, the base gunslinger can only pick from the pistol, musket, or blunderbuss (and the souble-barrel counterparts, I think; probably not).I think the intent is pretty clearly not. The whole point of it is to get you a basic firearm, despite the high cost, not to let you pick the best one available.
I think we're saying the same thing.
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Once you get rapid reload and all the bells and whistles of the class it is pretty immaterial if you are using a pistol (which you might have to spend a grit on once a session when you roll a 1) or a revolver (which you don't have to spend a whapping one grit on to quick clear). I mean, honestly, the difference is pretty negligible at higher levels.
Pistol: 1d8 (M), range 20, cap1 misfire 1 x4
Revolver: 1d8 (M), range 20, cap6 misfire 1 x4
With rapid reload, each are basically ever full... so the difference is negligible. Also note the description of a Revolver is "a pistol with..."... so there is that.
I'd still go with the GM side of this: if you are playing standard PF world, they are hard to come by, you get THE PISTOL. Techslingers I would note, still get THE PISTOL, and not a revolver or laser pistol, to start.
I've been running Rpg games for a long time now. Pathfinder is nice in certain aspects. It is always good to ask your GM about bringing a revolver in.... However I'm on the revolver = pistol side of the rules and the reasons are as follows.
Historically speaking the worlds first revolver was made in 1597 by Hans Stropler. It is an 8 shot flintlock revolver. If you notice the end of the handle is a large heavy ball. When you are done with your shots and/or your opponent comes into hand to hand combat, the revolver becomes a club.
This is what I use for reference of a revolver in a fantasy setting.
Incredibly rare, incredibly expensive to make, but a valid weapon to be used. There is no real reason why not having this kind of weapon when you have have Maces of Disruption, Luck Swords, etc, etc, that are far more powerful than this. Magic still rules the day.
As far as size of the pistol (compared to the revolver) of that day? Almost the same. Including the Ball/club in the end of the handle. The youtube video gives you a small history about the Hans Stropler revolver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdlecO3gyOo
The next url is a similar picture of a single shot variety of pistol.
http://www.guns.com/2011/02/21/the-first-murder-of-a-monarch-with-a-firearm /
Bty both pistols featured in that article definitely are not the ones used in the assassination of a monarch.
Both firearms were made for high class/nobility. Common weapons for this time period was basic in its construction and definitely not as ornate. And were single shot.
That's my take. A little bit of history can go well in a fantasy setting. I have used it in a character and allowed it as a GM if the character is high enough level to logically purchase one.
In the end it really depends on the GM to make the decision one way or another.