Ok so Im playing in a Wrath of the Righteous game, where the DM says we will get to 20th level or so, plus the mythic abilities.
Im looking at Monstrous Companion, and even at level 20 your Cohort level max is only 12.
How do you get a, even young dragon, with CR+8 Requirement?
Is there something Im missing here?
Well, Monstrous companion only gives you a Magical Beast, not a Dragon, so... There ya go.
You're thinking of Monstrous Mount. Monstrous Companion would seem to need some errata. It's my belief that the "Druid Level" on that chart is actually supposed to be based on your leadership score.
"BESTIAL COHORTS
Hippocampus 5th Bestiary 2 155
Hippogriff 6th Bestiary 2 156
Worg, winter wolf 9th Bestiary 260
Girallon 10th Bestiary 154
Sphinx, hieracosphinx 11th Bestiary 3 253
Sphinx, criophinx 13th Bestiary 3 252
Sphinx, gynosphinx 14th Bestiary 257"
"In addition to the magical beasts listed in the Bestial
Cohorts sidebar, this feat can be used to gain an ahuizotl,
aranea, blink dog, dragon horse, dragonne, giant
eagle, giant owl, giant vulture, griffon, kirin, leucrotta,
manticore, pegasus, sea cat, shedu, sleipnir, worg, or
xanthos. The rules for using each of these creatures as
a monster cohort are presented in the appendices of their
respective Pathfinder RPG Bestiary volumes."
I dont see young dragon even listed among any of the choices you have to begin with.
The druid chart is for the Monstrous Companion feat, which has separate cohort levels.
Leadership has a separate chart entirely.
There is no errata needed, just reading.
The druid chart is for the Monstrous Companion feat, which has separate cohort levels.
Leadership has a separate chart entirely.
There is no errata needed, just reading.
But monstrous companion is listed with its own chart.
The max effective cohort level is 12 at level 20.
Say a young bronze dragon is CR+8 or 17.
So how does that work?
And look on the Leadership page of the SRD, towards the bottom it shows an example as a Young Dragon.
You can never get a dragon with Monstrous Companion. Monstrous Companion only allows you to take a Magical Beast as a cohort. Dragons are Dragons, not Magical Beasts.
Then why is it an example monster? lol
And your right, you cant ever get a dragon, because you would have to be level 30 or so.
The druid chart is for the Monstrous Companion feat, which has separate cohort levels.
Leadership has a separate chart entirely.
There is no errata needed, just reading.
But monstrous companion is listed with its own chart.
The max effective cohort level is 12 at level 20.
Say a young bronze dragon is CR+8 or 17.
So how does that work?
And look on the Leadership page of the SRD, towards the bottom it shows an example as a Young Dragon.
I stated monstrous companion and leadership charts were separate, as did you.
You can gain a young bronze dragon at CR 17 with a leadership score of 24 or higher.
As stated on the leadership chart.
And yes, Imbicatus is correct, monstrous companion is only for magical beasts which do not include dragons, true or otherwise.
TL;DR: Monstrous companion will not net you a dragon, leadership will.
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You can never get a dragon with Monstrous Companion. Monstrous Companion only allows you to take a Magical Beast as a cohort. Dragons are Dragons, not Magical Beasts.Then why is it an example monster? lol
And your right, you cant ever get a dragon, because you would have to be level 30 or so.
It's not an example. There is a Dragon Horse example, and a Dragonne example, but there is no mention of true dragons anywhere in the feat.
It's not an example. There is a Dragon Horse example, and a Dragonne example, but there is no mention of true dragons anywhere in the feat.You can never get a dragon with Monstrous Companion. Monstrous Companion only allows you to take a Magical Beast as a cohort. Dragons are Dragons, not Magical Beasts.Then why is it an example monster? lol
And your right, you cant ever get a dragon, because you would have to be level 30 or so.
Example Magical Beasts and Effective Cohort Levels
Blink Dog
Blink dogs are intelligent magical beasts capable of shifting back and forth between the Material Plane and the Ethereal Plane with supernatural ease. Though their riders cannot travel with them when they rapidly teleport across the battlefield, these wise and noble creatures are ideal for Small knights who respect honor and devotion, and blink dogs likewise appreciate a valiant companion.
Effective Cohort Level: 4th
Dragon Horse
Flying alabaster horses with the ability to shift between planes, dragon horses occasionally offer aid to good creatures they deem worthy of their graces, and can be found alongside their riders throughout the multiverse.
Effective Cohort Level: 16th
Dragon, Young
With their varied natures and capacity for superhuman intelligence, it is perhaps unsurprising that adolescent dragons sometimes ally with humans long enough to be adopted as mounts, though the relationship is rarely one of subservience (except occasionally on the knight's part).
Dragons that serve as monstrous mounts are always young, and their various sizes means both Small and Medium knights may take them as mounts. Dragons usually only serve knights whose alignments match their own.
Effective Cohort Level: A young dragon's effective cohort level equals its CR + 8. Dragons serving as cohorts do not advance via aging as normal dragons do, but by gaining class levels (typically in fighter or sorcerer).
Dragonne
Dragonnes are mysterious beings that resemble a cross between lions and brass dragons. They are highly territorial and fiercely loyal to those they consider part of their pride; knights who are likewise dedicated to their companions tend to find particular kinship with a dragonne mount.
Effective Cohort Level: 10th
Giant Owl
Magical beasts that dwell in primordial forests, giant owls are keen defenders of their wooded homelands, and sometimes ally themselves with people who share a similar appreciation for the environment.
Effective Cohort Level: 8th
Griffon
An honorable beast with the body of a lion, the head and claws of an eagle, and matching enormous wings, griffons are intelligent creatures and serve as mounts for all manner of knights, especially those who often need to traverse long, perilous distances at great speed.
Effective Cohort Level: 8th
Cut and pasted directly from the SRD...Young Dragon.
So I need Leadership, would the Crusader mythic ability do the same thing? If I had both I could get two dragons?
The druid chart is for the Monstrous Companion feat, which has separate cohort levels.
Leadership has a separate chart entirely.
There is no errata needed, just reading.
But monstrous companion is listed with its own chart.
The max effective cohort level is 12 at level 20.
Say a young bronze dragon is CR+8 or 17.
So how does that work?
And look on the Leadership page of the SRD, towards the bottom it shows an example as a Young Dragon.
I stated monstrous companion and leadership charts were separate, as did you.
You can gain a young bronze dragon at CR 17 with a leadership score of 24 or higher.
As stated on the leadership chart.And yes, Imbicatus is correct, monstrous companion is only for magical beasts which do not include dragons, true or otherwise.
TL;DR: Monstrous companion will not net you a dragon, leadership will.
I apologize, you are correct. Now that I look at it, the Dragon is for Leadership only it seems. Thank you for your info and time!
Ah, I think I see what was happening now. That's what I get for reading things out of the pfsrd. I'm guessing the layout of the actual book isn't nearly as misleading.
For those not familiar, the website basically has this layout:
<Monsters as Cohorts>
<Monstrous Companion Feat information>
<Table for Monsters as Cohorts>
So, the layout makes it look like you are supposed to use the Table with the Monstrous Companion Feat, but they are actually completely separate. Monstrous Companion info just got sandwiched into a really confusing place..
So much facepalm! XD I can't take it!
Sorry Im such an idiot, I will try to correct and be just as godly as you are.
On another note.
How do I get my Cohort to be equal or better then neg 2 levels?
I see wicked leader, but only for evil, why is there none for good players? lol
How do I get my Cohort to be equal or better then neg 2 levels?
The Noble Scion prestige class is the only way I know, but you wouldn't get a cohort of your level until 15th character level.