Is There A Definitive Way To Get An Answer From The Higher Powers (Being Paizo)?


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So, I had a question come up recently regarding whether or not Rage and a Samurai's Challenge ability are, in fact, mutually exclusive. I believe they should function together, as there's no reason that Rage would exclude you from selecting a target and charging after them to complete a fight. Other players argue that the wording, "Challenging a foe requires much of a samurai's concentration. The samurai takes a -2 penalty to his armor class, except attacks made by the subject of his challenge," means the abilities are automatically mutually exclusive because the word "concentration" shows up in the description.

I'm not asking for a player, or even DM interpretation on this one. I'm wondering if it's possible to poke one of the staff members to get a definitive ruling on whether a challenge is considered "any ability requiring patience or concentration," or whether the word "concentration" in the challenge description simply means that you're focusing on an enemy to the exclusion of all others.

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The best that you can do is to start a thread posing a clear, concise question. FAQ it and ask others to FAQ it.

Paizo looks at all such threads but only has time to answer some of them. The more people FAQ a particular thread the more likely it will be addressed.

But even if you're lucky you can expect a significant delay. And lots of questions will pretty much never be answered


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The short answer is that no, there isn't a guaranteed way to get an "official" answer.

The medium answer is to try asking Mark, one of the members of the design team who is willing to offer his thoughts on rules queries.

The longest answer is to post it in the rules sub forums and allow the community to offer their perspectives. There's a lot of people here who are very knowledgeable about the rules. If there is an explicit answer to your query somewhere in the books, websites, FAQs, erratas or message board comments from the design team - I'd bet someone will post you such a link and an explanation within twenty four hours. They're a pretty helpful bunch.

If it turns out to be a controversial question, posting a query is still the best bet, since that's more likely to lead to a clamouring for clarification, lots of similar threads debating the same question and lots of FAQ-button clicking - which could eventually lead to the official answer you're looking for (but bear in mind that takes a very long time, in general).


Thanks for the weigh-in!

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Short Answer: No

Long Answer:

  • In the old days we had near daily developer comments in the form of replies to the message boards. We got lots of clarifications. Then we started getting FAQ. Some of the FAQ had a vocal minority who disagreed those FAQ were valid and needed. After a few cases where the developers where shouted down for clarifying, a developer make a declaration that all developer posts are unofficial. The good days passed.
  • We get periodic FAQ now, but generally these fall into two categories. Either the question is massive (one went on for months to a total of over 500 FAQ clicks) or the issue is in the crossroads of an angry fight with many locked threads.

What does this mean? If your issue doesn't make players and GM want to yell at each other or it doesn't have literally hundreds of FAQ clicks, don't expect it to get answered. We are still awaiting answers on Overrun from posts made by developers in 2009. No one yet knows how to use that maneuver without experiencing massive table variance.


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But thing is the forums will usually give a correct answer, and at the very least give good support for any view someone has. Like the answer to you question is they can challenge and rage at the same time.


While they are getting better about this sort of thing, this question affects a very small number of people and is only relevant to this exact ability. FAQs are usually for general rules and single abilities. You're probably going to have to settle for lowly forumites screaming at each other and hope we're all screaming the same way.

I think it would work. The samurai loses ac because he's NOT paying attention to anything but his target. Rage loses him ac because he's not paying attention to anything. Both are degrees of non concentration rather than anything that requires concentration.


I also agree With BNW here. The abilities work fine together, now your just raging at that one guy, no not you the over there with the funny mustache.

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Chess Pwn wrote:
But thing is the forums will usually give a correct answer, and at the very least give good support for any view someone has.

The forums will usually give you a correct answer and an incorrect answer and hundreds of arguments for either side.

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Either the question is massive (one went on for months to a total of over 500 FAQ clicks) ...

And truly epic it was, the talk, the bartering back and forth, the attempts to resolve it easily and tidily...

And we still got deleted posts after the FAQ, even though it had exactly zero negative impact on any character.

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