What would you like to see in an official second Advanced Race Guide book?
I'd like to see stats for:
Anubis (Egyptian Mythology)
Centaur (ARG)
Cthulu-like-race*
Dragonkin**
Drider (ARG)
Elementals***
Gargoyle (ARG)
Gathlain (B4)
Gnoll (ARG)
Goron (Zelda)
Kasatha (B4)
Lizardfolk (ARG)****
Minotaur
Nagaji (B4)
Nekojin (Cat-people)
Ogre (ARG)
Protoss (StarCraft)
Trox (B4)
Wyrwood (B4)
Wyvaran (B4)
Zora (Zelda)
(bold is what I want the most)
I'd also like to see favored class bonuses for all previous races for classes that have been introduced since the ARG.
I would also like to see illustrations comparing all the races similar to this one (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-decgIL_-zQI/UfmbIF1hKsI/AAAAAAAAAas/sys-CTIsEr4/ s1600/pathfinder_races.png).
*Something Eldridge inspired would be awesome, tentacles and stuff you know?
**Here is an example of what I mean (http://pathfinderwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/4/45/Blue_dragonkin.jpg/2 50px-Blue_dragonkin.jpg)
***It would be cool to be able to roll one of the elementals as a PC. You could use alternate racial traits to choose between the different types of elementals.
****Lizardfolk are weird because there is an example of them in the ARG as well as a beast of the same name in the Bestiary. In this case I am referring to the one shown in the ARG
*****For any races based on another IP, I'd like to see a version of them represented in the Pathfinder Universe.
******ARG indicates that the race was used as an example at the end of the book in the section dedicated to building your own races
Really, I am not too keen on adding too many more races since there is already a huge variety plus a race builder.
I think I would be more interested in seeing more expansions for existing races, like an entire book that gave the core races the treatment that the Blood of X line gives.
I also really want to see more racial feats, weapons, and spells to expand on things like weapon familiarity.
Expanding on the background rules for non core races from Ultimate Campaign would be good.
More bastard races like half-dwarves, half-gnomes, and quarterlings might be neat. Or a bastard race template.
I 100% would like to see Dragonborn, but I want to see it be compatible with all the Kobold draconic feats.
Absolutely want to see more stuff for Lizardfolk and Gnolls, crunch related stuff like the SGG releases, but not broken and ridiculous.
Wouldn't quarterlings be more like three-quarterlings? Except that you wouldn't get three quarterlings, because that would be confusing and a lot of characters and a problem. But you get what I mean?
Well, they'd be half-halfling, and half of a half is a quarter... but the half was already half of a human, so they're half-human and half-half-of-a-human... it gets really confusing and I'd rather not even consider how a human and a halfling would breed in the first place.
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Protoss (StarCraft)
What.
If you want Nekojin, consider taking a look at Catfolk.
I made my own using the race builder: http://pdd.wikia.com/wiki/Nekojin
I'd also like to see a more clockwork-robotic type of PC than Android.
I made what your describing using the race builder: http://pdd.wikia.com/wiki/Clockmen
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Satyr.
What.
Protoss (StarCraft)
Male:https://cdn.tutsplus.com/psd/uploads/legacy/0687_StarCraft/Zealot_Yi_Y oon_gi_tazzi.jpg
Female: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/2/2e/Selendis_SC2_Cncp t1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081026013920Of course ignore the futuristic weapons and armor.
Satyr.Faun. ^_^
Yes!
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I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of very rare "stitched-together" race, much like Sally from The Nightmare Before Christmas.
There's already something similar in the setting - the Umasi (or Harvestmen) - but a more man-made/player-ready version would be cool.
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I know what Protoss are. I was just confused at why you think Paizo would include them (even ignoring the fact that they can't because of Blizzard's copyright).
Satyr.Faun. ^_^
Fauns would probably be much closer in power-level for a viable PC race than Satyrs- but the debauchery and drunkenness of a Satyr would be so much fun. :)
I wouldn't want a full hardback's worth, actually. Unless you're talking about an NPC Codex 2, focused on the Uncommon and Featured races with cultural showcases like in the Monster Codex. That'd be sweet. :3
That would be a lot of overlap with the Player Companions though, so they're probably not going to put that hardback together any time soon.
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Fauns would probably be much closer in power-level for a viable PC race than Satyrs- but the debauchery and drunkenness of a Satyr would be so much fun. :)Satyr.Faun. ^_^
The big decision point for me? Fauns can be female.
And nothing's stopping usthem from being drunken and debauched. ^_^
Fauns would probably be much closer in power-level for a viable PC race than Satyrs- but the debauchery and drunkenness of a Satyr would be so much fun. :)Satyr.Faun. ^_^The big decision point for me? Fauns can be female.
And nothing's stopping
usthem from being drunken and debauched. ^_^
That's right- Totally forgot Fauns can be female (I have not been able to find my Bestiary 3 for months, and it's driving me bonkers). But yeah, I agree, being able to play either gender of a race is best. I always wished there were male Changelings.
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That's right- Totally forgot Fauns can be female (I have not been able to find my Bestiary 3 for months, and it's driving me bonkers). But yeah, I agree, being able to play either gender of a race is best. I always wished there were male Changelings.Fauns would probably be much closer in power-level for a viable PC race than Satyrs- but the debauchery and drunkenness of a Satyr would be so much fun. :)Satyr.Faun. ^_^The big decision point for me? Fauns can be female.
And nothing's stopping
usthem from being drunken and debauched. ^_^
I have bias, obviously, and a fair amount of hypocrisy, but I like female-only changelings. Double standard, I know. ^_^
That said, I haven't seen it (and it's not a player race)... but apparently the module Tears for Bitter Manor contains a male hagspawn. Behold, the caliban.
That's right- Totally forgot Fauns can be female (I have not been able to find my Bestiary 3 for months, and it's driving me bonkers). But yeah, I agree, being able to play either gender of a race is best. I always wished there were male Changelings.Fauns would probably be much closer in power-level for a viable PC race than Satyrs- but the debauchery and drunkenness of a Satyr would be so much fun. :)Satyr.Faun. ^_^The big decision point for me? Fauns can be female.
And nothing's stopping
usthem from being drunken and debauched. ^_^I have bias, obviously, and a fair amount of hypocrisy, but I like female-only changelings. Double standard, I know. ^_^
That said, I haven't seen it (and it's not a player race)... but apparently the module Tears for Bitter Manor contains a male hagspawn. Behold, the caliban.
Maybe they could do something like the old folklore of a Fey stealing a baby and leaving something "else" behind for the parents to raise. Could be a cool way to add a playable Fey character.
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Maybe they could do something like the old folklore of a Fey stealing a baby and leaving something "else" behind for the parents to raise. Could be a cool way to add a playable Fey character.That's right- Totally forgot Fauns can be female (I have not been able to find my Bestiary 3 for months, and it's driving me bonkers). But yeah, I agree, being able to play either gender of a race is best. I always wished there were male Changelings.The big decision point for me? Fauns can be female.
And nothing's stopping
usthem from being drunken and debauched. ^_^I have bias, obviously, and a fair amount of hypocrisy, but I like female-only changelings. Double standard, I know. ^_^
That said, I haven't seen it (and it's not a player race)... but apparently the module Tears for Bitter Manor contains a male hagspawn. Behold, the caliban.
That's basically the changeling, though - that's even where the name comes from. The faun/satyr would be a fine fey race, though.
Have you seen Heroes of the Wild, by the way? Fey-based alternate racial traits for every core race.
Have you seen Heroes of the Wild, by the way? Fey-based alternate racial traits for every core race.
I've actually had my eye on it for a while- almost bought the PDF, but think if I do bite, it looks worth getting a real copy. :)
I know what Protoss are. I was just confused at why you think Paizo would include them (even ignoring the fact that they can't because of Blizzard's copyright).
Refer to OP:
For any races based on another IP, I'd like to see a version of them represented in the Pathfinder Universe.
There was several on that list that came from other IPs.
Updated list:
Anubis (Egyptian Mythology)
Centaur (ARG)
Cthulu-like race
Dragonkin
Drider (ARG)
Elementals
Faun
Gargoyle (ARG)
Gathlain (B4)
Gnoll (ARG)
Goron (Zelda)
Kasatha (B4)
Lizardfolk (ARG)
Minotaur
Nagaji (B4)
Nekojin (Cat-people)
Ogre (ARG)
Protoss (StarCraft)
Saytr
Stitched-together race (Nightmare Before Christmas)
Trox (B4)
Wyrwood (B4)
Wyvaran (B4)
In that case, aren't Protoss just weird elves? They fit a lot of the stereotypes, being the ancient, long-lived race of magical people with a dark counterpart race.
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As much as more and cooler races are great, I'd most like to see better support for the races that we already have. I play within Society rules almost exclusively, and there's only 4 non-Core races currently approved that don't require a boon (kitsune, nagaji, wayang, and tengu for those who don't know.) More Alternate Racial Traits and Favored Class Bonuses would go a long way toward making these races more usable within PFS.
As an example, Tengu have 4 Alternate Racial Traits and FCBs for only 7 of the 29 classes. Wayang and Nagaji have only 1 Alternate Racial Trait each, and have FCBs for only 4 classes. Meanwhile the core races have a dozen or more Alternate Racial Traits each, and many provide FCBs for all 29 classes.
It would be nice if Paizo could provide more support for PFS given that it's promoted as their own in-house campaign. There's a lot of great 3PP stuff out there for the non-core races. Perhaps Paizo could buy the rights to, or license some of, the best 3PP material (I'll admit I don't know how that would work, but I'm sure there's a way given enough lawyers and money.)
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As much as more and cooler races are great, I'd most like to see better support for the races that we already have. I play within Society rules almost exclusively, and there's only 4 non-Core races currently approved that don't require a boon (kitsune, nagaji, wayang, and tengu for those who don't know.) More Alternate Racial Traits and Favored Class Bonuses would go a long way toward making these races more usable within PFS.
As an example, Tengu have 4 Alternate Racial Traits and FCBs for only 7 of the 29 classes. Wayang and Nagaji have only 1 Alternate Racial Trait each, and have FCBs for only 4 classes. Meanwhile the core races have a dozen or more Alternate Racial Traits each, and many provide FCBs for all 29 classes.
It would be nice if Paizo could provide more support for PFS given that it's promoted as their own in-house campaign. There's a lot of great 3PP stuff out there for the non-core races. Perhaps Paizo could buy the rights to, or license some of, the best 3PP material (I'll admit I don't know how that would work, but I'm sure there's a way given enough lawyers and money.)
I'm actually far more in agreement with this; I just tend to address a thread's topic directly. ^_^
Changelings are pretty much my pet race, and I'd really like to see a lot more first-party options for them... especially heritage options for the other hags out there.
A selection of races inspired by Monster Musume (though yes, I want males and females both):
Lamias
Centaurs
Harpies
Slime People
Merfolk
Driders
If there is no writeup for the race, there should be. If there is, it should be expanded upon.
Also, a further writeup of:
Catfolk
Fauns (not Satyrs)
Felitaurs
Dracotaurs
Minotaurs (well, a Medium variant, anyway)
Batfolk
If Protoss is an okay thing to ask for, then I'll be waiting for a Mudokon myself.
kobold paragons that are more in line power-wise to halflings and gnomes. Maybe with some draconic heritage alt racials.
dogfolk so the other players I game with can stop griping that there isn't one.
If there are centaurs, or any kind of taurs, I want some feats/archetypes that lets them act like a mounted combatant on their own.
Dragonkin race that's not just a human with a draconic head and scales. I want teeth, claws, wings (even if they don't allow full flight for a while), tail, breath weapon (preferably usable more than 1/day).
Half-dwarves. Because they really should be a thing.
Dryads or half-dryads, plant and/or fey race. I saw a thread in the homebrew section a while back about a race that was the result of a dryad selecting a treant as her home and the results of that relationship. I like that idea.
dogfolk so the other players I game with can stop griping that there isn't one.
Dragonkin race that's not just a human with a draconic head and scales. I want teeth, claws, wings (even if they don't allow full flight for a while), tail, breath weapon (preferably usable more than 1/day).
Half-dwarves. Because they really should be a thing.
Not official Paizo, but...
For dogfolk, Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved had the sibeccai, which someone did a Pathfinder conversion of.Similarly, AE had the dracha for a kind of dragonfolk, also converted here.
For half-dwarves, Dark Sun had that, called them mul. The Dark Sun people made a 3.5 conversion for the setting that includes them.
Updated list:
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Anubis (Egyptian Mythology)
Batfolk
Centaur (ARG)
Cthulu-like race
Dogfolk
Dracotaur
Dragonkin
Drider (ARG)
Dryad
Elementals
Faun
Felitaur
Gargoyle (ARG)
Gathlain (ACG/B4)
Gnoll (ARG)
Goron (Zelda)
Half-Dwarves
Harpie
Kasatha (ACG/B4)
Lamia
Lizardfolk (ARG)
Minotaur
Mudokon (Abe's Odyssey)
Nagaji (B4)
Nekojin (Cat-people)
Ogre (ARG)
Protoss (StarCraft)
Saytr
Slime People
Stitched-together race (Nightmare Before Christmas)
Trox (ACG/B4)
Wyrwood (ACG/B4)
Wyvaran (ACG/B4)
A lot of these are already in existence.
Cthulu-folk- Wasn't that the point of Qlippoth spawn tieflings? (there is a fairly clear indication that Qlippoth are meant to at least be somewhat lovecraftian- most of the demon lords that have lovecraftian names, such as Dagon, were originally Qlippoth). And the example illustrations had enough tentacles and such that it seemed appropriate enough for this role.
Cat-people- Ignoring the...connotations of what you want based off the images in your links... I am pretty sure that Paizo touches on both varieties.
Lizardfolk, Gnolls, Nagaji, Wyvaran, Wyrwood, Centaur-....what? There are stats for those. Some even have race specific feats, traits, and archetypes. Even if you argue that you want a full write up...nagaji already had that. And if it is just background info, Lizard folk have a fairly comprehensive one coming from their bestiary entry- it creates an interesting postcolonial narrative in relation to other races, especially humans.
Monkey Goblin plox.
Cthulu-folk- Wasn't that the point of Qlippoth spawn tieflings? (there is a fairly clear indication that Qlippoth are meant to at least be somewhat lovecraftian- most of the demon lords that have lovecraftian names, such as Dagon, were originally Qlippoth). And the example illustrations had enough tentacles and such that it seemed appropriate enough for this role.
Never seen this. Where is it found?
Blood of Fiends. The picture he's referring to is here, found at the artist's page here.Cthulu-folk- Wasn't that the point of Qlippoth spawn tieflings? (there is a fairly clear indication that Qlippoth are meant to at least be somewhat lovecraftian- most of the demon lords that have lovecraftian names, such as Dagon, were originally Qlippoth). And the example illustrations had enough tentacles and such that it seemed appropriate enough for this role.Never seen this. Where is it found?
Is that first-party?
Yes, here's the link. I have a copy and recommend it.
I don't want any new races in an Advanced Race Guide. Introducing new races should be the strict realm of Bestiaries and Campaign Setting products.
Rather, I'd want to see all of the Advanced Race Guide races bumped up a notch. Featured Races expanded to Core level, Core races expanded to Featured level, and any new, unhighlighted races given the Uncommon treatment.
Although if we're REALLY being honest here, I'd want to see the kitsune, tengu, samsaran, and wayang expanded into the realm of the Core Races, since they technically ARE a Core Race in the Dragon Empires. Same with Catfolk in (Arcadia?).
Fluffy tail. Don't care too much about variety thereof, just needs to be a PC race with a fluffy tail.Catfolk, kitsune, and Blood of Angels showed us here that aasimar can have fluffy tails too? Vanara? Maaaaybe monkey goblins, but I bet they're too unkept to have properly fluffy tails.
At some level, while there are flavor and mechanics concerns, I partially feel "can we just use a tiefling/aasimar?" for the majority of these requests. Those two races have such radical variance in its biology, and enough identifiable lineages, that you could justify a ton of different body types
With Agathions, you can write off a lot of the 'human, but with a couple animal parts attached' options. It would certainly cover the request for a different style of catfolk, and the Luthorne's linked image shows.
I don't want any new races in an Advanced Race Guide. Introducing new races should be the strict realm of Bestiaries and Campaign Setting products.
Rather, I'd want to see all of the Advanced Race Guide races bumped up a notch. Featured Races expanded to Core level, Core races expanded to Featured level, and any new, unhighlighted races given the Uncommon treatment.
Although if we're REALLY being honest here, I'd want to see the kitsune, tengu, samsaran, and wayang expanded into the realm of the Core Races, since they technically ARE a Core Race in the Dragon Empires. Same with Catfolk in (Arcadia?).
Yeah...I honestly don't think we need a book that dumps a ton of new races. Personally I think a sequel to the Advanced Race Guide would be kind of niche. Something like a hardcover "Dragon Empire Races" would be pretty sweet however (although I imagine that is kind of down the list quite a ways for Paizo publications).
Most traits in the ARG are from already existing races. We need more offensive, defensive, etc traits that aren't from an existing race.
An option to sell attributes.
And, yes, more support for the non-core races in the ARG…
Poison Dusk Lizardfolk, loved those guys
New! Improved standard Lizardfolk. Now with tall attacks!
Raggamoffyn symbiote race.
Ethereals-(see World of Warcraft Burning Crusade)
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Ethereal?file=Ethereal.jpg
Wargar -Spiderkin http://robnesler.com/art/Concepts/Hunted/Characters/WargarBerzerker.jpg