Casting Tax

[SmiloDan]

Yeah, they totally need the cleric list. Or maybe their own spell list, but that might be unnecessarily complicated.

[Manwolf]

Milo v3 wrote:

That would make them better spellcasters, though the zealot's will still need something to stop their casting from just being inquisitor casting with a different score.

Yes, bumping up the spells per level will help, and I agree the inquisitor spell list is just too limiting, combined with the 3 or 4 talents that were pulled right out of the inquisitor, zealot needs more flexibility and some more unique talents to make it more than an inquisitor with a secret identity and no judgements.

[Gisher]

SmiloDan wrote:

The modular spellcaster is a fun new design space. Obviously, it's not going to be perfect right out of the gate. Hopefully, they'll tweak it during the playtest to make it better. Maybe the higher level talents need to add more lower level spells per day.

For example, Arcane Training III might add 1 third level spell, 2 second level spells, and 1 first level spell, for a total of 4 first, 3 second, and 1 third.

Arcane Training IV might add 1 fourth level spell, 2 third level spells, 1 second level spell, and 1 first level. For 5, 4, 3, 1.

Arcane Training might add 1 fifth, 2 fourth, 1 third, and 1 second.
5, 5, 4, 3, 1.

Arcane Training might add 1 sixth, 2 fifth, 1 fourth, and 1 third.
5, 5, 5, 4, 3, 1.

Or variations like this. It would have to be playtested and balanced against the bard, inquisitor, magus, warpriest, and other 6/9 casters and maybe even 4/9 casters.

That's a good idea. I've been thinking that another way to address the problem would be to combine pairs of Arcane Training talents and let them scale up at higher levels the way lots of Witch Hexes do.

So Arcane Training I would grant 2 1st level spells at 1st level and then 2 more 1st and 1 2nd level spell at 4th level. Arcane Training II would grant 2 2nd level and 1 3rd level spell at 8th level and then 2 more 3rd and 1 4th level spell at 10th level. Arcane Training III would grant 2 4th level and 1 5th level spell at 14th level and then 2 more 5th and 1 6th level spell at 16th level. That would cost two talents rather than five, and it would open up the bottleneck at level four so you could get Mystic Bolt without delaying your spellcasting advancement. Plus the Social Persona would then have access to 2nd level spells.

Warlock Spells Per Day

____________________1st____ 2nd____3rd____4th____ 5th_____6th_______Level__________
Arcane Training 1_______2______0______0______0______0______0________1st level Warlock
_____________________4______1______0______0______0______0________4th level Warlock

Arcane Training 2_______4______3______1______0______0______0________8th level Warlock
_____________________4______3______3______1______0______0________10th level Warlock

Arcane Training 3_______4______3______3______3______1______0________14th level Warlock
_____________________4______3______3______3______2______1________16th level Warlock

[SmiloDan]

I think a combo might be even better.

"Double level" talents that increase the number of spells per day along all 6 or 7 (0th) spell levels.