Eidolon Alignment Restrictions

[Hazardman 101]

In PFS, currently speaking, evil characters are not allowed. However, a cleric can follow an evil deity so long as their alignment can fall in the Neutral row, i.e. Lawful Neutral cleric following Zon Kuthon. Following the same thought process, can an Unchained Summoner have an Evil eidolon so long as said summoner has a Neutral row alignment?

[Jeff Merola]

Yes. From the Unchained Summoner:

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An eidolon must be within one alignment step of the summoner who calls it (so a neutral good summoner can call a neutral, lawful good, or chaotic good eidolon) and can speak all of his languages.

[FLite]

Yup. Just remember, you may be on the hook for it if your Eidolon starts doing evil things and you don't stop it...

[Hazardman 101]

The summoner I had in mind was going to be Chaotic Neutral, so long as I the actions are justifiable I'll be fine.

[FLite]

So, a chaotic neutral summoner with a chaotic evil Eidolon. Remember, you have to justify your actions as not evil, not just as chaotic. (Or more precisely you have to demonstrate that the preponderance of your actions are not evil and you have not become too evil for society play.)

Not a personal criticism, just a statement that there are people who seem to regard "I'm chaotic" as an excuse for doing evil without being responsible for their actions.

[Hazardman 101]

In RPG's in general I have found Chaotic Neutral to be more evil then Chaotic Evil on the grounds that the Chaotic Neutral is planning how to execute their actions by causing the least amount of trouble for themselves and, maybe, the party.

[Claxon]

Yeah, but you're talking for PFS. Slightly evil actions are going to quickly get you in trouble with the GM.

This probably isn't a good idea to try and skirt around the edges of what is allowed.

[FLite]

Just remember, the person you have to convince is the VO. All the GM can do is flag you for them to review, the VO has to make the judgement to retire the character.

How minor or major an action has to be, depends a lot on your VO, so it might be worth sounding them out about what they think is justifyable, before you get in trouble.

[Hazardman 101]

My VO has participated in mass destruction of a marketplace in God's Market Gamble. So long as the action isn't senseless I will be fine 95% of the time.

[Samasboy1]

Claxon wrote:

Yeah, but you're talking for PFS. Slightly evil actions are going to quickly get you in trouble with the GM.

This probably isn't a good idea to try and skirt around the edges of what is allowed.

Are you allowed an Imp or Quasit familiar in PFS?

If so, I don't see why you couldn't have an evil Eidolon.

[Arachnofiend]

Samasboy1 wrote:

Claxon wrote:

Yeah, but you're talking for PFS. Slightly evil actions are going to quickly get you in trouble with the GM.

This probably isn't a good idea to try and skirt around the edges of what is allowed.

Are you allowed an Imp or Quasit familiar in PFS?

If so, I don't see why you couldn't have an evil Eidolon.

I believe Claxon is less talking about the pure legality of the thing and more "hey, maybe don't try to get away with Chaotic Stupid in a PFS setting".

[Claxon]

Arachnofiend wrote:

Samasboy1 wrote:

Claxon wrote:

Yeah, but you're talking for PFS. Slightly evil actions are going to quickly get you in trouble with the GM.

This probably isn't a good idea to try and skirt around the edges of what is allowed.

Are you allowed an Imp or Quasit familiar in PFS?

If so, I don't see why you couldn't have an evil Eidolon.

I believe Claxon is less talking about the pure legality of the thing and more "hey, maybe don't try to get away with Chaotic Stupid in a PFS setting".

Bingo. It wasn't a comment of legality, it was a comment of "You're walking a fine line and someone besides you gets to decide when you cross it."

[LazarX]

A player that walks that fine a line, is one I WILL be watching for when he goes over the edge. To a lesser extent, some folks think "Neutral Good" seems to be an alignment where "everything goes as long as it's in the service of a greater good.... or for Andoran."

I changed the alignment of one Andoran druid after his attitude and actions clearly indicated he was anything but "good" and warned him that he was pushing the line on true neutral as well.

[Hazardman 101]

I only use True Neutral when the character has minimal Intelligence and Wisdom. He doesn't know any better, he just follows with whatever is happening.