Tiefling Trait: You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.

[arcanine]

the teifling has this as a trait they can choose to roll from.

what dose this mean?? how would this be used? i thought of the titan mauler but he can wield a two handed weapon one handed im not sure if he can use a large size bastard sword.

would this trait allow me to negate the penalties from wielding 2 large size bastard swords? or a nodachi and a huge sized light pick = a scythe? would this negate all the penalties and give me a -2/-2? or would the light pick for encumbrance be still one handed for me with this trait?

why would you play a titan mauler if this trait exist? or why not just always go one level dip in titan fighter now? and take adopted then get this.

[bigrig107]

No, this allows you to use legal Large weapons without penalty.
Large two-handed weapons are still not legal without another ability.

[Nefreet]

It's the same, word for word, as the Redcap entry in the Bestiary, and nobody debates that they can't use medium-sized Scythes.

[Thymus Vulgaris]

You don't get to take this with adopted. You get to take a race trait, which is a kind of character trait.

[Kazaan]

PRD wrote:

Redcap

NE Fey
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Melee Medium scythe +10 (2d4+10/×4), kick +4 (1d4+6)
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Heavy Weapons (Ex) A redcap can wield weapons sized for Medium creatures without penalty.

d20pfsrd wrote:

Fiendish Heritage

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You have oversized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.

"without penalty" includes both the -2/size category penalty as well as size step-up. If it didn't, then a Redcap would not be able to wield its medium scythe since a scythe is a 2-h weapon for its intended size of wielder and, normally, step-up would make it unwieldable for a creature smaller than the intended size.

However, adopted won't give it because adopted only gives you a race trait, not a racial trait. Adopted is a trait and lets you spend your "social" trait slot to get something from the Race trait slot, but it's a trait for a trait. Racial Traits like variant abilities are a whole different animal. Furthermore, because of the wording of the variant ability, it only works on Large weapons; it bears no effect towards other size categories. So, while a Large 2-h weapon would be fine, that doesn't mean you can wield a Huge 1-h weapon and take only -2 on the attack roll. To illustrate, while a Large light weapon would still be wielded as a light weapon and suffer no penalty to attack, a Huge light weapon would jump up two categories to 2-h and it would take -4 to attack (2 categories difference).

[LazarX]

arcanine wrote:

the teifling has this as a trait they can choose to roll from.

what dose this mean?? how would this be used? i thought of the titan mauler but he can wield a two handed weapon one handed im not sure if he can use a large size bastard sword.

would this trait allow me to negate the penalties from wielding 2 large size bastard swords? or a nodachi and a huge sized light pick = a scythe? would this negate all the penalties and give me a -2/-2? or would the light pick for encumbrance be still one handed for me with this trait?

why would you play a titan mauler if this trait exist? or why not just always go one level dip in titan fighter now? and take adopted then get this.

The trait does not allow you to do anything that you couldn't do before. What it does is lessen the penalty for something that is allowed, such as Amiri wielding that large bastard sword of hers.

[Kalindlara]

I support the Redcap interpretation. :)

[SlimGauge]

LazarX wrote:

The trait does not allow you to do anything that you couldn't do before. What it does is lessen the penalty for something that is allowed, such as Amiri wielding that large bastard sword of hers.

+1.

Redcaps are monsters, those break the rules all the time.

[Thymus Vulgaris]

It is within the writing of the ability to do both. Ask your GM: Whatever he says it does, it does.

[Dread Knight]

It follows the same wording at the Redcap ability so it should work like it.

[Nefreet]

Don't let the Titan Mauler's inability to wield oversized weapons get in the way of interpreting the Tiefling and Redcap.

Also, yes, Adopted would not be able to get you a Racial Trait. I missed that part of your post initially.

[Nefreet]

Also, there's another creature with the exact wording, in a different Bestiary. Some sort of Giant, or Titan, IIRC.

[Kazaan]

Compare to the Titan Mauler's Massive Weapons ability:

PRD wrote:

Massive Weapons (Ex): At 3rd level, a titan mauler becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted from her titanic foes. The attack roll penalty for using weapons too large for her size is reduced by 1, and this reduction increases by 1 for every three levels beyond 3rd (to a minimum of 0). This ability replaces trap sense.

Massive Weapons specifically singles out the attack roll penalty. Also consider the wording of wielding a double weapon:

PRD wrote:

Double Weapons: Dire flails, gnome hooked hammers, and two-bladed swords are examples of double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but she incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.

Some have argued that "penalties" is only limited to the penalty to attack rolls. If that were the case, then the rules for double weapons would only give you a penalty to attack rolls with the two ends of the weapon, but not affect anything else (ie. the fact that you are actually wielding a 2-h weapon). Without understanding that "penalties" isn't necessarily limited to numeric penalties on dice rolls, you'd have to interpret the rules for using a Double weapon for TWF to mean that, while you suffer -2/-2 penalties to attack (presuming you have the TWF feat), you still get 1.5x Str for using a 2-h weapon and it still qualifies for feats/abilities like Pushing Assault. However, looking at stat blocks of NPCs wielding double weapons, they all follow convention of treating each end of the weapon as one-handed str-to-damage rather than two-handed.

[Kalindlara]

Also, as I pointed out in the previous thread dealing with this ability, a d100 table isn't the best place for several lines of clarifying text. :)

[arcanine]

ok so i would need to get the racial heritage feat then get the trait as a human. but im still a little confused.

i know about the Amiri bastard sword. so lets use that.

1) I would get the 1 level titan fighter I am attacking at -4. -2 for not my size. and -2 for the class ability.

2) take the racial heritage feat: teifling take the trait #16 over sized limbs. i now have a -2 from the class ability. then -2 for it not being my size is now gone.

is this possible?

take 2 levels of alchemist and get the vestigial arm discovery twice and duel weild 2 huge size weapons? and deal 1.5 str on each attack?

[Thymus Vulgaris]

1) Why even go titan mauler for the reduced penalty if you're going to remove the penalty in its entirety?

2)No, you still cannot get it with a feat. Racial heritage lets you count as that race for background traits restricted to that race, feats, spell effects, archetypes etc. You don't get to take any of the racial traits that you get just by being that race. It also only applies to humanoid races, and tieflings are outsiders. Racial heritage: tiefling is, unfortunately, not a thing.
The only way to get it is by being a tiefling.

I am not sure if the huge sized weapons would be allowed at all, and if they were they'd definitely still be at a penalty due to size since they aren't large or medium.

[arcanine]

Thymus Vulgaris wrote:

1) Why even go titan mauler for the reduced penalty if you're going to remove the penalty in its entirety?

2)No, you still cannot get it with a feat. Racial heritage lets you count as that race for background traits restricted to that race, feats, spell effects, archetypes etc. You don't get to take any of the racial traits that you get just by being that race. It also only applies to humanoid races, and tieflings are outsiders. Racial heritage: tiefling is, unfortunately, not a thing.
The only way to get it is by being a tiefling.

I am not sure if the huge sized weapons would be allowed at all, and if they were they'd definitely still be at a penalty due to size since they aren't large or medium.

but wouldn't the trait remove it?

[Thymus Vulgaris]

The trait removes penalties for wielding large weapons. It says no such thing about wielding huge weapons.

[arcanine]

Thymus Vulgaris wrote:

The trait removes penalties for wielding large weapons. It says no such thing about wielding huge weapons.

ohhhhh.. so a slayer can just go 2wf and use 2 bastard swords going ham with this trait? and only take the -4 to attack?

[Thymus Vulgaris]

Sure, if a) he's proficient and b) your GM is as generous in their ruling of the variant tiefling ability as many posters in this thread are. Not all agree on the topic.

[Malvos]

As a side note, Tieflings are not a valid option for the Racial Heritage feat. They're Outsiders, not Humanoids.

In order to get oversized limbs, you must actually be a Tiefling.