Cornugon Smash question


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Cornugon Smash (Combat)

Prerequisites: Power Attack, Intimidate 6 ranks.

Benefit: When you damage an opponent with a Power Attack, you may make an immediate Intimidate check as a free action to attempt to demoralize your opponent.

"you may make an immediate Intimidate check as a free action"

So when activating this feat, does it uses an immediate action or free action?

Etc. when you have multiple attacks, do each success hit using power attacks gives free action Intimidates?

Or

Uses an immediate action to do 1 free action intimidate?

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It's a free action. That word "immediate" is not referring to Immediate Actions, but to when you take the Free action.


Thanks!


-Grijm- wrote:

Cornugon Smash (Combat)

Prerequisites: Power Attack, Intimidate 6 ranks.

Benefit: When you damage an opponent with a Power Attack, you may make an immediate Intimidate check as a free action to attempt to demoralize your opponent.

"you may make an immediate Intimidate check as a free action"
Etc. when you have multiple attacks, do each success hit using power attacks gives free action Intimidates?

yep, but sadly Shaken from intimidate useage doesn't stack: though if you fail once, you can try again this way.


It doesn't 'stack' in that it doesn't make you become frightened, but it 'stacks' in the sense that it extends the duration of the shakened condition.

however, you get a +5 cumulative to the DC to intimidate on successive tries.

Quote:
Retry? You can attempt to intimidate an opponent again, but each additional check increases the DC by +5. This increase resets after one hour has passed.


Reason I asked because was having a little discussion with a friend regarding the popular combo of using this with the other feat "Hurtful", which gives a free attack as a Swift action if the intimidate is successful.

Hence, if Cornugon smash is actually immediate action, that would have made the combo void.


-Grijm- wrote:

Reason I asked because was having a little discussion with a friend regarding the popular combo of using this with the other feat "Hurtful", which gives a free attack as a Swift action if the intimidate is successful.

Hence, if Cornugon smash is actually immediate action, that would have made the combo void.

Technically it wouldn't make it void, since immediate actions use your swift action for the next round. You could totally use an immediate and a swift action right after another, but it would limit the combo to only being used every other round.


If you want to get the Frightened condition out of your swings, take one level of Thug rogue.

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Thymus Vulgaris wrote:
-Grijm- wrote:

Reason I asked because was having a little discussion with a friend regarding the popular combo of using this with the other feat "Hurtful", which gives a free attack as a Swift action if the intimidate is successful.

Hence, if Cornugon smash is actually immediate action, that would have made the combo void.

Technically it wouldn't make it void, since immediate actions use your swift action for the next round. You could totally use an immediate and a swift action right after another, but it would limit the combo to only being used every other round.

That's not true.

the rules wrote:
"Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action and counts as your swift action for that turn. You cannot use another immediate action or a swift action until after your next turn if you have used an immediate action when it is not currently your turn (effectively, using an immediate action before your turn is equivalent to using your swift action for the coming turn). You also cannot use an immediate action if you are flat-footed."

Proof


Multiple intimidate checks are allowed, but the DC increases by 5 every time. You get less scary when you keep making the same threats.

Just make sure you succeed on the first one!


-Grijm- wrote:

Reason I asked because was having a little discussion with a friend regarding the popular combo of using this with the other feat "Hurtful", which gives a free attack as a Swift action if the intimidate is successful.

Hence, if Cornugon smash is actually immediate action, that would have made the combo void.

-Grijm- wrote:

Reason I asked because was having a little discussion with a friend regarding the popular combo of using this with the other feat "Hurtful", which gives a free attack as a Swift action if the intimidate is successful.

Hence, if Cornugon smash is actually immediate action, that would have made the combo void.

You might consider buying a Cruel weapon. On a hit, it automatically Sickens an already Shaken opponent, and those conditions do stack.

With your combo a single hit could potentially impose Shaken (through Cornugan Smash), give you an extra attack (through Hurtful), and impose Sickened on that extra attack (through Cruel).

That is two attacks worth of damage, a -2 penalty to damage rolls, and a -4 penalty to saves, to hit rolls, skill checks, and ability checks. And you only used up one of your attacks!

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