Who deserves bad dreams the most?


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I have a Cleric with the Madness and Deception domains, so my fifth level domain slot is a tossup between Nightmare and False Vision. Frankly, neither of them are things I'm likely to actually use within a scenario, but I prep Nightmare.

Of course, there are days between sessions, and often days of traveling or resting within sessions. What I'd like to do is have this character cast Nightmare on a specific NPC every day. It's what he does before he goes to bed every night. But, I can't think of a great target for it.

The following considerations make for good targets, but the chosen NPC does not need to meet all of the criteria.

- An enemy of the Pathfinder Society

- Alive as of current releases

- Well known, preferably someone I could meet in a 7-11 scenario, or at least get a portrait of somewhere.

- Preferably an arcane caster, as this spell really screws them over. (They can't regain spells the day after a nightmare sleep.)

- Must actually require sleep. Elves and similar are a no-go.

- Bonus points to any NPC that actually has a stat block somewhere, so I can tell the GM what their Will save bonus is.

I just enjoy imagining that so long as my character lives, there is one jerk who is tossing and turning at night.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Drandle Dreng

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Andrew Christian wrote:
Drandle Dreng

That would require him to sleep.

Grand Lodge

Jeff Merola wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:
Drandle Dreng
That would require him to sleep.

Geez, yeah. I don't want to be in a trance for two weeks waiting for that to happen.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Personally, I'd pick (Slave Ships of Absalom/Slave Master's Mirror spoilers):

Spoiler:
Pasha Muhlia Al-Jakri. Sadly I don't think she's statted anywhere (yet).

4/5

Torch.

Silver Crusade

Tancred Desimire

4/5

Hrothdane wrote:
Tancred Desimire

My incredibly dumb Bloodrager intends to mention how he killed Tancred's brother any time I run across Tancred.

Another option for the OP is to use the slot to prepare a lower-level domain spell. You get Confusion at 4th for both of those domains, but it's not a bad spell to have 2 castings prepped.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Hrothdane wrote:
Tancred Desimire

spoiler:

I think that ship has sailed / is out of reach ^^

The new three part scenario Shadowsmiths Trail (sp?) has a particularly unpleasant aspis agent, you are not supposed to kill, that seems liek a great target.

Grand Lodge

Discussion of Candidates so far has spoilers for a variety of scenarios:
Tancred was my first thought, but if I'm not mistaken he's dead. Many of the suggestions would be great, except that this character will probably never hear of them. He's level 10, and many of the options given so far are featured in lower tier adventures. The slaver ideas did make me think of a particular arcane caster from Web of Corruption. That was actually the first scenario I ever played, and it was with the character in question. Could be fitting.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Le Petite Mort wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

spoiler:

Traitors lodge and Night Marsh of Kalkamedes have a particularly nasty demon, that has not been killed just yet.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Spyder, although her status (alive or dead) is sort of... weird.
Torch, multiple castings, please.
Nefti and/or Kafar.
Drandle Dreng
Adril Hestram (again, status as to living/dead may be in question)
Ven Lorovox (I know, but still...)

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From an adventure I know you (we) have done, that Primo guy can have a bunch of nightmares

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BartonOliver wrote:
From an adventure I know you (we) have done, that Primo guy can have a bunch of nightmares

If you decide on this one, make sure you tell your GM when you play #5-17 Fate of the Fiend.

PS - I highly recommend this course of action :P

Grand Lodge

Mike Bramnik wrote:
BartonOliver wrote:
From an adventure I know you (we) have done, that Primo guy can have a bunch of nightmares

If you decide on this one, make sure you tell your GM when you play #5-17 Fate of the Fiend.

PS - I highly recommend this course of action :P

IT IS DECIDED.

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Nighthags.
put the shoe on the other foot.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Netherlands

Nigel.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Drandle Drang. Maybe he'll finally take a bath.

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I loved Tancred Desimire. So many times my players got to the end of a scenario and the boss would say to them "Tancred Disimire sends his regards" as they attack, charged, and in one case, backstabbed the players. Bring him back alive? That poor bugger never had a chance...

No, the true enemy of the Society is Venture Captain Ambrus Valsin. He needs some nightmares, particularly of all the Pathfinders he sent to their deaths on suicide missions cause he found them annoying.

In fact that sounds like a terrific scenario... Summoned in the middle of the night by VC Dreng to help a deranged Ambrus sleep. Maybe read him some poetry written by Zarta for just such an occasion.

Dark Archive

Aram Zey. He's not only an a+$!++$, he's a spellcaster who isn't an elf :)

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Woran wrote:
Nigel.

As an elf he doesn't sleep.

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Dennis Gregg wrote:
No, the true enemy of the Society is Venture Captain Ambrus Valsin. He needs some nightmares, particularly of all the Pathfinders he sent to their deaths on suicide missions cause he found them annoying.

Sorry, I'm not aware of this happening?

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I desperately want to say Nigel Aldain, but he's an Elf. :(

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I believe pathfinder elves do sleep, they just aren't susceptible to sleep spells. It was forgotten realms where they did not require sleep, only reverie.

Dark Archive

Actually, scratch that. My vote is for Sheila Heidmarch. I've gone on two missions for her in the past week and have decided she is actually trying to get all the other Pathfinders killed off.

... it was totally not my fault that the Basilisk decided it liked me more than its original masters and followed me around like a kitten all night. It was, on the other hand, hilarious to watch everyone scramble around trying to fight while dealing with not looking at the overly affectionate smoked-goggles-wearing basilisk :) I'm still sad I had to sacrifice the poor guy to un-stone one of the party members at the end of the mission.

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Michael Eshleman wrote:
Woran wrote:
Nigel.
As an elf he doesn't sleep.

I just looked trough the PRD at the entry of elves in the race guide, and its not stated anywhere that elves do not need to sleep. Only thing is Elves are immune to magic sleep effects.

But I dont think being immune and never needing sleep are the same thing.

Liberty's Edge

Sheila Heidmarch. She damn near sent my monk to his death.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Yeah, elves don't trance in Golarion, but sleep instead. James confirms it.

They are also spacefaring former invaders from Castrovel, the green planet, their physiques resemble insectoids(and their queen has sum fine legs) and have very little white in their eyes resulting in eerie single-colored stares.

Man, I wish Golarion dwarves were just as weird.

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Muser wrote:

Yeah, elves don't trance in Golarion, but sleep instead. James confirms it.

They are also spacefaring former invaders from Castrovel, the green planet, their physiques resemble insectoids(and their queen has sum fine legs) and have very little white in their eyes resulting in eerie single-colored stares.

Man, I wish Golarion dwarves were just as weird.

Incorrect, Elves do still trance. Elves of Golarion, page 5:

Though elves are immune to magical sleep effcts, the
idea that they never rest is a myth. Instead, though
they do not fall unconscious the way other humanoids
do, elves may enter a deep trance that has the same
refreshing effct on the mind as human sleep. An elf
only needs to meditate in this fashion for 4 hours per
day, though some prefer longer periods. During this rest,
an elf performs habitual mental exercises, reviews old
memories, allows his intuition to seek enlightenment,
and so on. Some mischievous elves enjoy perpetuating
the myth that their kind is always awake and elven towns
have no beds; the truth is that while some elves prefer
to meditate in a chair or on a couch, others enjoy the
comfort of an actual bed.

I found a comment from a developer stating Elves do sleep, because they wanted to distance themselves from D&D, but later on they decided to change that ruling. A shame they squirrelled this piece of info away like this, leads to a lot of misunderstandings.

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You do realize that Elves of Golarion is a 3.5 book, and that James Jacobs isn't "a developer" but rather Golarion is his setting and that his posts/clarifications on how Golarion work are canon.

Grand Lodge 5/5 ****

Robert Hetherington wrote:
You do realize that Elves of Golarion is a 3.5 book, and that James Jacobs isn't "a developer" but rather Golarion is his setting and that his posts/clarifications on how Golarion work are canon.

Fair enough. Did not know EoG was 3.5, and looking at when the comment was made, I guess most recent ruling trumps all.

I use "developer" as a loose term for anyone involved with creating the game/world, I should've specified.

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Michael Eshleman wrote:
Dennis Gregg wrote:
No, the true enemy of the Society is Venture Captain Ambrus Valsin. He needs some nightmares, particularly of all the Pathfinders he sent to their deaths on suicide missions cause he found them annoying.
Sorry, I'm not aware of this happening?

Okay maybe not on suicidal missions but...

Pathfinder Society Field Guide page 16 wrote:
Tall and meticulously groomed, Ambrus doesn’t appreciate backtalk and reserves particularly strenuous assignments for those who annoy him.

I don't trust him.

Grand Lodge

The text of the spell nightmare specifically says that elves are immune.

Also, why is everyone suggesting Venture Captains? I'm going to use this on either an enemy of the society, or at least someone unaffiliated but annoying. Bobo! loves the society, the lack of oversight, the unpredictable missions, the frequent contact with exotic funguses and cookware...what's not to love?

Maybe I should target the man who is really responsible for the most Society members' deaths...

Kyle Baird.

4/5

Definately Aram Zey, I know of some Seekers and Venture Captain PC's that really want to find a way to remove him from existence, even if it would result in the Decemvirate to chase them down.

5/5 *****

Osprey, the guy is a complete ass. I was totally rooting for the...

Spoiler:
worm that eats him in Eyes

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