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We all know a Monk loses his AC bonus, his Flurry and Fast movement is he picks up a shield.
However the way Sacred Fist is written is a little more obscure.
It says for example it works like the monk ability of the same name. But Flurry of Blows (Ex): Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so, he may make on additional attack, taking a -2 penalty on all of his attack rolls, as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. These attacks can be any combination of unarmed strikes and attacks with a monk special weapon (he does not need to use two weapons to use this ability). For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus from his monk class levels is equal to his monk level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.
At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows, as if using Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows, as if using Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows. A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows. A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.
Now Monk's AC bonus does call out shields but that is not part of the Flurry's specific ability.
SF's AC ability says only when Unarmed and Unencumbered does he gain his Ac bonus. Shield Bonus is not an Armor Bonus is it?
So can a Sacred Fist pick up a shield and still flurry?
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I wonder if they keep releasing vague rulings to keep us interested in the message boards. What would be of our evenings without these conundrums. Damn marketing team knows what it's doing.
You know I wonder, I was curious about flurrying with a spear in my gestalt game. Three level dip into Phalanx Solider for Spear in one hand and using a shield and then using Swashbuckler beyond that (Dex and Level to damage is just appealing)
Though this does make me wonder if Flurry of blows with a rapier adds precise strike to each hit
Dynamic Priest from Dragonlance transfers Wis to Cha for Divine Spellcasters casting requirements.
So you would have a Monk like character who can wear armor and flurry with a weapon that crits like crazy.
How exactly are you flurrying with a rapier?
Pretty much exactly what Kestral said, not just Cayden, loads have Rapier or other high crit weapons.
I have a question that has to do with the Sacred Fist and the Stunning Fist feat. Can you use a feat to take stunning Fist at 1st Level because the Sacred Fist is a monk-like character, or do you treat the Sacred Fist as a Non-Monk class?
I have read the rules and know what the book says, I am just looking for opinions from experienced players and other GMs on the subject. I do not think that the feat would be free for a Sacred Fist, but I am wondering if the Class is monk-like enough to take the feat early.
Thank you in advance for your time and efforts in this matter.
"Monk-like" isn't a thing. A (non-monk) sacred fist can't take Stunning Fist until base attack bonus +8, and they only get to use it once per day per four levels, same as for any other non-monk.
Rules aside, it probably wouldn't be crazy to allow it to work as though the sacred fist were a monk.
Such stuff always require explicit allowance. Brawler levels count as Fighter and Monk levels for feats and magic items, because the Martial Training ability says so. Without it, even a class that would get every single Monk ability sans Stunning Fist, and would count its levels as Monk levels for everything, would not be able to take Stunning Fist prior to BAB+8.
Note that the first sentence of the special section is not actually valid anymore - there's a bunch of CRB feats like that, that repeat something from the class rules, and that lack futureproofing (the proficiency feats beign the worst offenders). You don't actually get these feats for free, unless a class feature tells you so.
"Monk-like" isn't a thing. A (non-monk) sacred fist can't take Stunning Fist until base attack bonus +8, and they only get to use it once per day per four levels, same as for any other non-monk.
Rules aside, it probably wouldn't be crazy to allow it to work as though the sacred fist were a monk.
brawlers are kind of monk-like; their levels count as monk levels for prereqs and also as monk levels if the effects of items or feats vary with monk level.
And even then, I don’t think a brawler could take stunning fist at 1st. I don’t think a monk could either if he archetypes out of it; so I guess monks aren’t actually ‘monk-like’ either for the purposes of this question.
Archetypes are not classes--they're modifications of existing classes. A monk modified by an archetype is still a monk and can take Elemental Fist and use it more times just as a monk without an archetype can.
Yep, that's still true. The bonus feat language in "Special" is more of a restatement of the class feature than a property of the feat, and it probably shouldn't have been there at all.