Divine ek

[Timdog]

As title is there a divine ek variant or similar out there? Want full casting and a more martial prescence

[kestral287]

Clerics, Oracles, and especially Druids already make pretty good martials. Warpriest gets an obnoxious number of feats and quickened self-buffing to make them capable front-liners.

None of them have full BAB but none of them really need it.

[Magda Luckbender]

One way to be a divine full caster with a strong martial presence is to use smart, effective tactics. Choosing effective tactics can greatly improve your martial presence. Like, by at least 2x effectiveness. A tactically savvy cleric,oracle, or druid can easily be more effective than a full BaB martial who fails to use strong tactics. What is it you want to do?

There's no divine version of the Eldritch Knight because all the divine classes are capable of doing this right out the starting gate. The increased martial presence is more a question of tactical approach than of class abilities.

Magda is a single-classed cleric front-line martial tank. Works great.

[LoneKnave]

There's the Holy Windicator, but it's like... a 3/4th caster. As close as can get tho. You only lose 3 caster levels, which is only 1 more than EK.

But Full divine casters already have 3/4 BAB so just staying one is not that detrimental to your attacks (and with buffs you easily match those who have full BAB anyway).

[Brad McDowell]

Divine Scion from Inner Sea Magic?

Ranger an option to build off of?

[Chess Pwn]

EK is Eldrich Knight.

[Gregory Connolly]

Paladin?

Seriously you can't have a full BAB and 9 levels of casting because this game has limits. It is the same reason you can't just add the Half-Dragon template to your character or be 5 levels higher than everyone else. It is too good compared to everything else.

If you really finagle it you can probably find a way to say 17 levels of cleric casting and a +16 BAB by level 20, but it won't really be any stronger than a 20th level cleric would be, and in fact would feel weaker in some games.

[Timdog]

I want more feats while not losing caster levels and am ok with ditching the other cleric stuff (domain advancement etc ). Is that more clear and doable?

Its not the bab i care about

[Avoron]

Using the Scaled Disciple feat to enter Dragon Disciple as an oracle can be great, especially with Charisma to AC and Charisma and saves.

[Brad McDowell]

Crusader cleric?

[Timdog]

Thanks brad that may do it

[Timdog]

Couldn't do an undead lord/Crusader because they both want to give up a Domain, correct? Even if the one domain I had left was undead, thus satisfying the requirements for the undead lord, because I gave up one for the crusader I wouldn't have one to give up for undead master, right?

edit: lord, not master

[Chess Pwn]

correct, you can't do both.