RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games
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Give a shout out to any and all of the 3PP products that brought a smile to your face or an evil gleam to your GM's eye. What were some of your favorites? Top Ten list, hidden gems, however you want to sing the praises, let it fly!
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In the last similar thread I referenced Ultimate Rulership, Ultimate Psionics, and one other that now is not springing to mind so I nominate Akashic Mysteries in its stead.
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"Deep Magic" from Kobold Press and "Ultimate Psionics" from Dreamscarred Press.
Thunderscape: World of Aden Campaign Setting by Kyoudai Games and Onmyoji class by Interjection Games are the two that immediately came to mind. Both really amazing.
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Ultimate Psionics, Psionics Embodied, Psionic Bestiary, Mindblast! Classic Monsters Augmented, and Monster Movie Matinee!
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"Deep Magic" from Kobold Press and "Ultimate Psionics" from Dreamscarred Press.
Those are my two as well.
I agree on Deep Magic. Not so much on Ultimate Psionics, took to much hassle to get my copy.
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I like this book called "A Red and Pleasant Land" but I guess it's not strictly speaking pathfinder compatible.
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Dreamscarred Press: Ultimate Psionics
Dreamscarred Press: Path of War
Green Ronin: Advanced Bestiary
Kobold Press: Deep Magic
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Oh, I forgot one in my previous post:
Dunes of Desolation from Frog God Games. Solid sourcebook and had a couple of my favorite adventures I read all year in it.
Yikes...I left off "Path of War" from Dreamscarred Press. Sorry, guys!
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I believe Lost City Of Barakus came out this past year.
I agree on the new Advanced Bestiary from Green Ronin.
Also New Paths Compendium from Kobold Press.
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I put forward
Liberus Influxus (Book of Collective Influence) from Amora Games. I have yet to see so much original class design concentrated into one book.
Ultimate Psionics from Dreamscarred Press. Balanced, fun, and has something for every type of player.
Path of War from Dreamscarred Press. Mostly balanced, very fun, good imagination going into it. Every person who I've played with using these classes felt like real martial masters as opposed to moving turrets.
Spheres of Power from Drop Dead Studios made an amazing magic replacement system for Pathfinder along with some really cool magic using classes.
Blood Forge from Dreamscarred Press has some really fun writing going into it explaining these.... unique... racial hybids. The races were right on par with a lot of core races and the PrCs are fun to imagine.
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Path of War, Akashic Mysters, Ultimate Psionics, and the Psionic Bestiary were my favorites from Dreamscarred Press.
Liberus Influxus from Amora Games contained very fun and imaginative classes. Two thumbs up (or 6 if you are a metamorph).
Drop Dead Studios released their fantastic Spheres of Power magic system.
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Lierus Influxus, Ultimate Psionics, Akashic Mysteries are my big three.
As a whole the Talented Class line from RGG is fantastic. I know those started in 2013, but there were some fantastic additions this year.
Really Simple Prestige Clases, Ancient Classes were a could of small ones from LRGG that were really nice.
Ultimate Ethermagic (Interjection) while an update to previous material, is really nice as well - and if UP is allowable, so is this.
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I agree with most of those mentioned about but would add Laying Waste from TPK Games. This book has probably affected our games more than any other and brings excitement and uncertainty back to critical hits.
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As a fan of Wuxia movies I was thrilled to see Dragon-Tiger-Ox by LRGG. There have been many attempts to bring the East to D20 systems over the years but this one I feel does it best.
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So awesome to see two of the projects I worked on, Liber Influxus and Akashic Mysteries, getting multiple mentions. Thank you!
I'd like to add Celadon Shores from Alluria Press to the list. As I've come to expect from Alluria, the art is gorgeous, the mechanics are sound, and the fluff is spectacular. Combining the fresh water rules for their aquatic setting with the awesome Asian themes was pure genius.
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Akashic Mysteries, Ultimate Psionics and Path of War from Dreamscarred Press and The Onmyoji from Interjection Games.
I guess I really like outside the box classes.
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So awesome to see two of the projects I worked on, Liber Influxus and Akashic Mysteries, getting multiple mentions. Thank you!
I'd like to add Celadon Shores from Alluria Press to the list. As I've come to expect from Alluria, the art is gorgeous, the mechanics are sound, and the fluff is spectacular. Combining the fresh water rules for their aquatic setting with the awesome Asian themes was pure genius.
The Battlelord feels like a new take on "commanding" martials. Based on the class features I believe that in game it will make someone feel like a real officer more than any other class.
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The Battlelord feels like a new take on "commanding" martials. Based on the class features I believe that in game it will make someone feel like a real officer more than any other class.So awesome to see two of the projects I worked on, Liber Influxus and Akashic Mysteries, getting multiple mentions. Thank you!
I'd like to add Celadon Shores from Alluria Press to the list. As I've come to expect from Alluria, the art is gorgeous, the mechanics are sound, and the fluff is spectacular. Combining the fresh water rules for their aquatic setting with the awesome Asian themes was pure genius.
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I literally just wrote the martial class I wanted to play with the Battlelord; pretty much every class feature was just me trying to open paths to play characters like Dujek Onearm from the Malazan Book of the Fallen, Cable from the old school X-Force comics (minus the TK), Matt Cauthon from The Wheel of Time, and all of those other commander types who just don't click well into the existing classes.| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
So awesome to see two of the projects I worked on, Liber Influxus and Akashic Mysteries, getting multiple mentions. Thank you!
Just wanted to drop a comment here... I haven't mentioned AM because (unless I'm on crack) it's not actually done. I'll likely be happy to read the final and add it to a best-of-2015 list next January.
Path of War, Legendary Villains AntiPaladins, Advanced Bestiary.
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So awesome to see two of the projects I worked on, Liber Influxus and Akashic Mysteries, getting multiple mentions. Thank you!Just wanted to drop a comment here... I haven't mentioned AM because (unless I'm on crack) it's not actually done. I'll likely be happy to read the final and add it to a best-of-2015 list next January.
That's fair :)
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Broken Earth by Sneak Attack Press
Zeitgeist Book 1: The Investigation Begins by EN Publishing
GM Miscellanies: Dungeon Dressing, Urban Dressing, Wilderness Dressing, and Village Backdrops by Raging Swan Press
Age of Electrotech by Radiance House
I'm hoping the completed Liber Influxus Communis, Akashic Mysteries, and Strange Magic will make my best of list for 2015.
I'm hoping the completed Liber Influxus Communis, Akashic Mysteries, and Strange Magic will make my best of list for 2015.
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I felt those were so good in their WiP States that they were better than a good deal of material I bought that was finished; so I mentioned some of them.
Good point though.
As much of a massive Talented Classes fan as I am, and as good as the Variant Spells PDFs are, I'm going to have to go with Path of War. Scarlet Throne and Veiled Moon are just cool, and I got inspired to write a new base class, which I rarely do.
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Broken Earth by Sneak Attack Press
Zeitgeist Book 1: The Investigation Begins by EN Publishing
GM Miscellanies: Dungeon Dressing, Urban Dressing, Wilderness Dressing, and Village Backdrops by Raging Swan Press
Age of Electrotech by Radiance HouseI'm hoping the completed Liber Influxus Communis, Akashic Mysteries, and Strange Magic will make my best of list for 2015.
Thanks for the direct shout-out (Age of Electrotech) and the indirect shout-out (Liber Influxus Communis)!
I also think I'm in the GM Miscellanies, Village Backdrops product but I don't remember. D:
As much of a massive Talented Classes fan as I am, and as good as the Variant Spells PDFs are, I'm going to have to go with Path of War. Scarlet Throne and Veiled Moon are just cool, and I got inspired to write a new base class, which I rarely do.
Path of War and to a lesser extent Akashic Mysteries suffer from 1 fairly major problem in my eyes. There are no "generic" users of those system
We don't have a "fighter" in Path of War, but Paladins, Rangers and Swashbucklers (to extend a metaphor) - all very fine classes but all very specific in approach and style.
Akashic Vizier is a little more open, but there is a similar problem - no Wizard just Witches and Alchemists.
It's very difficult to play a flavor you like within the context of Initiators or Akashic users. You have generic users of Aracane and Divine magic and Martial types.. we need them for this.
I would love to see an initiator that is sorta similar to the fighter - does initiator maneuvers but whether the character is a gambler, a happy go lucky guy, a leader, or a grim weapon user was up to the player, rather than having the flavor baked into the class.
And I've spent too much word count on a personal pet peeve that is only slightly marring two very good books. And this is supposed to for the best - so let me add a couple more.
Every Mythic Magic book but out by Legendary has been amazing. Well actually all of their Mythic stuff has been amazing.
As much of a massive Talented Classes fan as I am, and as good as the Variant Spells PDFs are, I'm going to have to go with Path of War. Scarlet Throne and Veiled Moon are just cool, and I got inspired to write a new base class, which I rarely do.Path of War and to a lesser extent Akashic Mysteries suffer from 1 fairly major problem in my eyes. There are no "generic" users of those system
We don't have a "fighter" in Path of War, but Paladins, Rangers and Swashbucklers (to extend a metaphor) - all very fine classes but all very specific in approach and style.
Akashic Vizier is a little more open, but there is a similar problem - no Wizard just Witches and Alchemists.
It's very difficult to play a flavor you like within the context of Initiators or Akashic users. You have generic users of Aracane and Divine magic and Martial types.. we need them for this.
I would love to see an initiator that is sorta similar to the fighter - does initiator maneuvers but whether the character is a gambler, a happy go lucky guy, a leader, or a grim weapon user was up to the player, rather than having the flavor baked into the class.
And I've spent too much word count on a personal pet peeve that is only slightly marring two very good books. And this is supposed to for the best - so let me add a couple more.
Every Mythic Magic book but out by Legendary has been amazing. Well actually all of their Mythic stuff has been amazing.
That's why I can't wait for Path of War Expanded to come along and give the Paizo classes initiator archetypes, so that instead of a fighter type initiator you can just play a Fighter who is an initiator.
As much of a massive Talented Classes fan as I am, and as good as the Variant Spells PDFs are, I'm going to have to go with Path of War. Scarlet Throne and Veiled Moon are just cool, and I got inspired to write a new base class, which I rarely do.Path of War and to a lesser extent Akashic Mysteries suffer from 1 fairly major problem in my eyes. There are no "generic" users of those system
We don't have a "fighter" in Path of War, but Paladins, Rangers and Swashbucklers (to extend a metaphor) - all very fine classes but all very specific in approach and style.
Akashic Vizier is a little more open, but there is a similar problem - no Wizard just Witches and Alchemists.
It's very difficult to play a flavor you like within the context of Initiators or Akashic users. You have generic users of Aracane and Divine magic and Martial types.. we need them for this.
I would love to see an initiator that is sorta similar to the fighter - does initiator maneuvers but whether the character is a gambler, a happy go lucky guy, a leader, or a grim weapon user was up to the player, rather than having the flavor baked into the class.
And I've spent too much word count on a personal pet peeve that is only slightly marring two very good books. And this is supposed to for the best - so let me add a couple more.
Every Mythic Magic book but out by Legendary has been amazing. Well actually all of their Mythic stuff has been amazing.
Small point on the Path of War, but for Akashic mysteries what sort of generic flavor can there be? In general Akashic power is esoteric and caries a ton of flavor, so I don't think a flavor divorced version would work at all.
As for Warlord you just need an archetype that makes presences not affect allies, replaces teamwork feats with skill feats, and replaces the tactician like ability with some athleticism boosting ability and boom flavorless. No need to make a blatant Fighter+ archetype.
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My top 13 (sorted alphabetically):
Advanced Bestiary (Green Ronin)
Deep Magic (Kobold Press)
Genius Guide to Gruesome Dragons, The (Rogue Genius Games)
GM's Miscellany: Urban Dressing (Raging Swan Press)
GM's Miscellany: Wilderness Dressing (Raging Swan Press)
Islands of Plunder series (Legendary Games)
Laying Waste: A Guide to Critical Combat (Total Party Kill Games)
Legendary Villains: Antipaladins (Legendary Games)
Pirate Codex (Legendary Games)
Ultimate Gladiator, The (Total Party Kill Games)
Ultimate War (Legendary Games)
Unrighteous Villains (Legendary Games)
ZEITGEIST: The Gears of Revolution, Act I: The Investigation Begins (EN Publishing)
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Path of War and to a lesser extent Akashic Mysteries suffer from 1 fairly major problem in my eyes. There are no "generic" users of those systemWe don't have a "fighter" in Path of War, but Paladins, Rangers and Swashbucklers (to extend a metaphor) - all very fine classes but all very specific in approach and style.
Akashic Vizier is a little more open, but there is a similar problem - no Wizard just Witches and Alchemists.
It's very difficult to play a flavor you like within the context of Initiators or Akashic users. You have generic users of Aracane and Divine magic and Martial types.. we need them for this.
I would love to see an initiator that is sorta similar to the fighter - does initiator maneuvers but whether the character is a gambler, a happy go lucky guy, a leader, or a grim weapon user was up to the player, rather than having the flavor baked into the class.
I really disagree with this,
Warder, tanky guy
Stalker, monk or rogue
Warlord, cool fighter
Daevic, barbarian (you can easily ignore the semi-possessed fluff)
Guru, monk
Vizier, wizard.
As for my list; Akashic Mysteries even though it isn't fully out. Even tried to get all my friends to buy it, which I haven't done with other tabletop products.
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My favorites of this year have been Deep Magic (Kobold Press) and Pure Steam (Icosa).
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Broken Earth by Sneak Attack Press
Zeitgeist Book 1: The Investigation Begins by EN Publishing
GM Miscellanies: Dungeon Dressing, Urban Dressing, Wilderness Dressing, and Village Backdrops by Raging Swan Press
Age of Electrotech by Radiance HouseI'm hoping the completed Liber Influxus Communis, Akashic Mysteries, and Strange Magic will make my best of list for 2015.
Thanks for the shoutout, mate! Ultimate Composition is done and available to Kickstarter backers. Those of you who aren't can expect access to it on Monday.
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-Ultimate Psionic: Made all my psionic dreams come true. (Dreamscarred Press)
-Way of the Wicked Book 7: More stuffs to torment or customize the campaign? Hell yeah! (Fire Mountain Games)
-Mythic Monsters, Giants: Bringing back mythic into giants! (LGG)
-Path of the Dragon (LGG): Now making real legendary dragons.
-Path of Villain (LGG): All kind of villains, epic.
-Rise of the Drow Adventure Path: An incredible adventure remake. (Adventure A Week)
Don't forget to check out www.endzeitgeist.com (endzeitgeist's website) for his candidates for this subject!
Oh, man. Totally forgot about Secrets of the Masquerade Reveler. Masquerade Revelers are awesome. I alter the fluff so they can have more normal personalities, but the archetype isn't just solid, it's amazing.
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I'd like to thank everyone who mentioned Dreamscarred products - it's always a huge morale boost when seeing that. It truly never gets old.
I'd also like to thank everyone for all the other products - it's hard to stay up to date on what the other publishers are all doing with as much as I have going on, so this gives me a easy-to-digest list of what books I need to pick up and check out. I am a gamer, too, after all!
Small point on the Path of War, but for Akashic mysteries what sort of generic flavor can there be? In general Akashic power is esoteric and caries a ton of flavor, so I don't think a flavor divorced version would work at all.As for Warlord you just need an archetype that makes presences not affect allies, replaces teamwork feats with skill feats, and replaces the tactician like ability with some athleticism...
I really disagree with this,
Warder, tanky guy
Stalker, monk or rogue
Warlord, cool fighterDaevic, barbarian (you can easily ignore the semi-possessed fluff)
Guru, monk
Vizier, wizard.As for my list; Akashic Mysteries even though it isn't fully out. Even tried to get all my friends to buy it, which I haven't done with other tabletop products.
To be honest a Warlord Archetype like that, and about 15 new Mystic Attunements for the Vizier - the three that we have are very specific in flavor (super leader, support, super item guy) would solve my issue.
And Milo - what I was trying to get at... If you take a group you could have the classic 4 - Fighter, Rogue (yeah underpowered, but bear with me in concept) Wizard and Cleric or even a Psion. These are "generic classes" - each one can fill multiple archetypes (without mechanical archetypes). There isn't one of those in either both. A Warlord like Insain Dragoon described (or the stuff in extended) and the Vizier has that potential, but with only three choices it is very limited that way.
The only reason I comment is that I love both books, and want them to be flawless and to me it is a very minor flaw. Part of it, I think, stems from the fact that those systems were not open content and the "generic" versions were in the originals, so it was hard to do without IP/(c) infringement, whereas psionics were open - I try and imaging a psionic book where the Psion were not available, and it would end up feeling very much like these two. And as the flaw is there, minor though it is, it's like a itch that you keep scratching at... not something major, and becomes a background annoyance.
I still have purchased both, and will do the same for any followups. Just a minor thing.
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Ultimate Psionics
I was on the fence about psionics in general and Ultimate Psionics presented an opportunity to get on board and have everything so I looked it up on d20pfsrd and got the book. Having it feels as essential as having the core rulebook. Unfortunately barely any of my players want to use it when I allow it.
Deep Magic
This is my candidate for what Ultimate Magic should have been. More than just new spells and options for casters but brings new kinds of magic in new kinds of ways, and even a few ways to bring magic to your non-magical classes via runes and incantations. Beyond that it brings flavor and themes to magic as well as tools to make it more dynamic.
Thunderscape
At first I felt like Thunderscape failed a bit because its technological equipment wasn't terribly expanded upon. But Thunderscape won me over with it's classes, races and imagination. It has become my go-to for rules in playing Dungeon-punk Pathfinder. But seriously, the classes are gold.
Spheres of Power
Over in the thread on Spheres of Power I noted a lot of opinions about the new magic system in it. For me it's magic that makes sense within the logic of the rest of the game, moreso than typical vancian casting. It works, its linear, it isn't a slave to 15 min workday casting. Some would want to simply replace casting with spheres because its so good and sensible.
New Paths Compendium.
If I had to sum up NPC in one phrase it would be 'filling in the gaps'. It simply fills in blank spots that seem logical. We have a full bab nature and divine caster so we added Arcane. We have a spontaneous cleric and wizard spell list user, why not a spontaneous druid, and the list goes on. So much about New Paths 'feels right' and every option feels like a natural extension of the game.
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This is a longer list – these are books that I read and immediately wanted to throw any character I was playing aside to use something in the book, or took a concept that I had drifting around in my mind and gave it form- gave me mechanics for the ideas I had. These are also books that as a GM I read and immediately incorporated into my games. I brought up a small negative in a positive thread – so consider it “penence” :D
Ulitmate Psioncs, Akashic Mysteries, Path of War - Dreamscarred . I love new classes and new mechanical systems to use with them. DSP has been amazing in taking older abandoned things and bringing them back to life – and making them better than the older material. All three of these have seen play in my games
Ultimate Ethermagic – Interjection. A very complex class, but I loved the flavor and approach. My favorite blast-all-day class.
Age of Electrotech, – Radiance House. Another complex classes, and a“tech” class that really works. I really loved the feel of them.
New Path Compendium, Deep Magic – Kobold. Some of these classes I would never use (all of the “race” classes) some were solid that filled a needed niche (Spell-less Ranger among others) and a few just blew me away. The Savant, Theurge, Battle Scion – those three were worth the price of the book by themselves. Deep Magic is just simple the best book of spells this year, and a lot of other stuff too.
Libre Influxus Communis - Amora. WiP, but what is out is worth it to be on this list. Like the book above, it has a few classes I will likely never use, a couple that are perfect filling in some niche – and some that made my jaw drop and inspire me to use them (Conduit, Metamorph, Mystic, Survivor, Umbra and Warloghe).
The Talented Guide to: Barbarian, Ranger – RGG. I love this line completely. I play HERO a lot too, and the flexibility in these reminds some of that (without the math). Plus in Barbarian there was a “Talented Warrior” that has a framework to use pieces from the Barbarian, Fighter and Cavalier; letting you play your own hybrid class effectively. Owen did the same thing for Rogue and Monk as well. For someone who prefers more flexibility that is normally found in the system – these are fantastic.
Compendium Arcanum: Variable level spells – D20PFSRD. Timothy Wallace is a fan of Cook's Arcana Unearthed. His blog has been publishing Pathfinder versions of a lot of stuff from that. He also took the idea of variable level spells from that book (a 2nd level spell that can be cast at lower power as a 1st level, and at higher power at 3rd level) and adapted Pathfinder spells to that system. It's fantastic.
Kitsune Compendium – Everyman Gaming. This is one of the best race books I have ever ready. Gave flavor, background, mechanics and just really made playing a Kitsune seem really cool.
The Various Mythic Spells books – Legendary. As someone who is a fan of Mythic (while being aware of it's issues) these were a fantastic addition. I kickstarted for the Mythic Mania, and if these are any indication of what we will see, I've even more stoked for what is coming than I already was (which is a feat in and of itself).
Spheres of Power - Drop Dead Studios. Another WiP but what is out makes this list. A very flexible innovative magic system with a lot of classes and archtypes for standard classes to utilize it.
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Thunderscape
At first I felt like Thunderscape failed a bit because its technological equipment wasn't terribly expanded upon. But Thunderscape won me over with it's classes, races and imagination. It has become my go-to for rules in playing Dungeon-punk Pathfinder. But seriously, the classes are gold.
Based on your comment and a read through of the blurb, I just got this. It is very nice. Can't add it to the list, I haven't read it all, but it is looking great on first impression.
I couldn't buy any, so I can't give my opinion. ;)
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Based on your comment and a read through of the blurb, I just got this. It is very nice. Can't add it to the list, I haven't read it all, but it is looking great on first impression.
Thunderscape
At first I felt like Thunderscape failed a bit because its technological equipment wasn't terribly expanded upon. But Thunderscape won me over with it's classes, races and imagination. It has become my go-to for rules in playing Dungeon-punk Pathfinder. But seriously, the classes are gold.
One thing you may be surprised by is the fluff. There's a lot of fluff but I failed to mention it because I intended to use the material for homebrew campaigns. Overall I think you made a good purchase, the classes alone are worth the price. To elaborate:
The Arbiter fills in as the a super tank but also an INT based martial that's actually useful.
The Entomancer filled a role that I didn't know was missing as what's essentially a 'bug druid'.
The Fallen is one of my favorites. It clings to the fluff but in homebrews comes off as sort of a pseudo-sorcerer in flavor. Basically someone that is 'tainted' by evil. Libre Influxus brought on the Warloghe which runs a similar theme but The Fallen wound up spell-less, so I think the flavor was desired.
Golemoids lets you have cyborg powers since races cant contribute too much power. If that doesn't sound awesome take one look at the 'iconic' golemoid, the steam-powered-hammer weilding robo-tiger-man. Also it's pretty mechanically sound and adds loads of fun things to do. It is one of my favorite full BAB classes right now as it feels like what would become of a Fighter when magic becomes more normalized.
The Mechamage as just a wizard with a robot is the most boring of the bunch but seems kinda nessasary. The writs do bring a lot of customization to the robot so there's quite a bit of excitement in exchange for losing three entire schools of spells.
The Seer I didn't particularly like until I played one. It is amazing.
The Steamwrite is the book's primary 'artificer' class in that it makes the gadgets. It does the job well. Next to LJP's The Machinesmith, it is my favorite gadget class.
The Thaumaturge is one of those classes that allow you to 'shift' classes. Basically you have low bab, d6 HD and all bad saves but you get 'legends' that allow you to morph into a new class and gain the legend's saves, BAB and get some bonus HP. It is my current class shifting class by being simple and meaningful. About the only downside is that so far there aren't any caster shifts but I'm okay without them.
The Thunderscout is pretty much a Motorcycle wizard or an arcane ranger. Full BAB, 4/9 casting and a vehicle that scales like an animal companion.
Honestly aside from the concept of manite and manite engines and manite implants the items don't add much to the game d20pfsrd publishing made something that made steam points a thing similar to energy in the Technology Guide but I left my review on that product and it wasn't good. However the concept of steam points and steam cells mirroring the power and batteries in the Technology Guide allows one to file off the serial numbers of technology guide stuff and make them steam powered.
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Thanks everyone who mentioned Rite products.
And Advanced Bestiary (I got to work on that too).
Steven D. Russell
Rite Publishing
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Thunderscape. Extra shout out to the Seer Base Class - easily one of my favorite class choices.
Companions of the Firmament. Absolutely must have for aerial combat.
Ultimate Psionics. It's all in your mind. 'nuff said.
Deep Magic. Biased bcoz I created a whole two spells in there, but seriously this is an amazing tome of magic options.
Mystical Kingdom of Monsters. Extra fun options for those wanting the monster trainer and awesome options for monster-pets
Broken Earth. Bcoz the Apocalypse is fun.
Advanced Bestiary. Moar monstrous options. :)
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Deep Magic, although I have only been able to fold in a 'smidgen' of what's in there into my game.
Also backed both the kick starters from Dwarven Forge, the caverns being the year's vice.
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