Making a character that specializes in demoralize as a Thug Rogue with the Enforcer and Hurtful feat. Not alot of the homebrew world's inhabitants were explained to us but we were told there were alot of evil monsters/enemies. I know alot of monsters that fall under that catagory are immune to Fear effects(specicially every undead ever). Is there any way to get around this or should I just find something different to do against them.
Probably not what you want to hear but Anti-Paladin.
I don't know any other way to ignore fear immunity and even then it's only within a 10' radius.
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The Nightmare Subdomain of the Madness Domain.
Ouch, both of those are rough. Hurts alot 3 levels in anti-paladin. Cleric one isnt very possible because its a standard action(So no striking to demoralize through enforcer) and its mind-affecting which undead are also immune to x.x
Mindless undead are going to be completely immune to demoralizing or fear anyways because they have no emotions. If you're trying to make skeletons terrified of you, you're going to have as much luck scaring a lamp out of your house. The closest thing you can get to resembling that is Turn Undead.
Long story short, you can't demoralize something without a mind unless you use Wish or something to make it sentient. Sentient undead are not immune to mind effects though. An enemy Lich or Vampire still can be demoralized.
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Antipaladins can put the fear into anything, even Undead.
Creatures that are normally immune to fear lose that immunity while within 10 feet of an antipaladin with this ability.
Also, the Agent of the Grave PrC allows characters to effect undead with Mind-effects, including fear.
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Get them a job at Wal-Mart or teaching.
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Human Undead Sorcerer
Scare Spell level 1 (I think, due to it being late)
Bloodline Arcana: Some undead are susceptible to your
mind-affecting spells. Corporeal undead that were once
humanoids are treated as humanoids for the purposes of
determining which spells affect them.
and Intimidate is a class skill.
Feats at level 1 for the human
Persuasive and skill focus(intimidate)
BBT: I do not think they are paying attention to you even though you are 100% correct.
Unnatural presence, you can demoralize vermin?
Unnatural Presence is awful.
Animals can already be intimidated, so there goes half the trait's effect.
Vermin come in two types. Big-ass bugs and Swarms.
Swarms are immune to Intimidate because "A swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures." Intimidate is a targeted effect, so no dice.
Big-Ass bugs all have huge numbers of Hit Dice for their CR. Intimidate DCs are based on Hit Dice. Hope you maxed out the skill and rolled well.
I really like the idea behind Unnatural Presence. I've had three characters take it. I've never actually seen it work out in play. It's just way too niche. No game has enough giant vermin to make it worth the investment.
Sort of...
Shaken is a Fear effect. Says so right in the description.
So while you could successfully Demoralize anything, the effect caused by a successful Demoralize would be ignored by anything immune to fear, so it wouldn't really matter.
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Sort of...
Shaken is a Fear effect. Says so right in the description.
So while you could successfully Demoralize anything, the effect caused by a successful Demoralize would be ignored by anything immune to fear, so it wouldn't really matter.
Not if you are giving another condition, like sickened.
There are also effects that depend on whether you successfully demoralize rather than if your target is shaken or not. It matters for some things because like BBT said, there are ways to apply other conditions when you demoralize rather than just shaken.
The way our DM is ruling it is that to intimidate someone they have to fear you. Either fear who/what you are or fear the actions that you make take that influence them. Since undead are immune to fear they are immune to intimidate unless you specifically have an effect to bypass/remove that ability(Like an anti-paladin). While the explination is a bit outside game mechanics he also believes that RAW supports this claim too based on shacken being called a fear effect in the shaken description as someone mentioned above^
So from the advice here it doesnt seem like there is a practical way to demoralize someone without taking 3 levels in anti-paladin. Will probably end up just picking up a wand of one of Chill Touch as that seems the most similar route(maybe try to get the wand to look like a sap aswell) to the style of character im going for.
Thank you all for your help :) If anyone comes up with another way I would be MUCH! appreciated <3
The way our DM is ruling it is that to intimidate someone they have to fear you. Either fear who/what you are or fear the actions that you make take that influence them. Since undead are immune to fear they are immune to intimidate unless you specifically have an effect to bypass/remove that ability(Like an anti-paladin). While the explination is a bit outside game mechanics he also believes that RAW supports this claim too based on shacken being called a fear effect in the shaken description as someone mentioned above^
Your GM is an failure at basic logic. Just Intimidate can be use to Demoralize which causes Shaken which is a Fear effect, does not mean that Intimidate is a Fear effect.
He has a serious flaw in his prepositions right here-
to intimidate someone they have to fear you.
Just because something is immune to Fear effects (which are a classification of conditions) does not actually mean they are not afraid of anything.
Think of it like this-
"Fear" as an effect category is about triggering instinctive panic responses. "Intimidate" is about making something aware that the consequences of certain actions will be dire. There can be some Ven Diagram-style overlap, but there doesn't have to be. That's the root of your GMs mistake.
When the Godfather tells someone to do something they don't do it because of some primal fear that grips their brain. There's nothing inherently scary about an old, fat itallian guy. But, anyone with a brain does what they're told because the Godfather can make the consequences of disobedience awful beyond imagining. The godfather is scary in a completely different way than something jumping out at you in the dark or realizing you are being hunted.
Anything with the capacity to recognize a non- immediate threat can be intimidated.
Non-immediate threats are things like a slowly moving fire. Even insects, which are Mindless, know to clear out. That's because even mindless things have some modicum of self-preservation instinct. That's what Intimidate taps into. It's about making a creature recognize that the thing in front of them is dangerous in the same way that tall cliffs or lightning storms are dangerous.
Even things that never panic in the face of danger know not to jump off cliffs.