Hi,
I've recently find this awesome class, yesterday i was playing Pathfinder with my friends and a question shows up.
I'm a Lv. 2 Magus with Spellstrike and Spell Combat.
Spell Combat allows me to make a standard , touch-ranged spell with my free hand at cost of -2 on each attack ( the regular with my sword and the touch attack with the spell)
Spellstrike allows me to use my sword to discharge my spells.
Quoting: "Instead of the free melee touch attack
normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one
free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack
bonus) as part of casting this spell.If successful, this melee
attack deals its normal damage as well as the effects of the
spell. If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell
combat, this melee attack takes all the penalties accrued by
spell combat melee attacks."
I'm assuming that if i use Spell combat with spellstrike i can use a touch spell like shocking grasp to make an additional attack to deliver my spell. Attack 1, Spell-Attack 2 (that deliver weapon damage plus spell damage and effect)
SO, for example: My Magus Samuel encounter Xeros a level 1 Warrior.
Initiative Check, Samuel Gets a 15 , Xeros a 16, Whoops!
Let's Start, Xeros approach and attack with his long sword, and does a 10 on dice, plus +4 Strenght +1 Base Attack Bonus =15 too bad, Samuel AC is 17.
Now it's Samuel's turn, Samuels use Spell combat to make a full round action and he can cast his shocking grasp and make one attack with his sword at -2 Penality. So Samuel make his concentration check, and make 8 on dice roll plus +4 from combat casting + 3 Int +2 Caster Level =17 DC is 17, so now he can use spellstrike to deliver this attack instead of his touch attack Right? with, Quoting, "one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell".
So he attack with his long sword with a +4 ( +1 Base Attack and +3 strengh) and he make a 16 on dice -2 from Spell combat, 18 ! GOOD! Xeros has 18 AC so Samuel hit for a 4 +3 of strenght with the sword and release the shocking grasp, 8 electricity damage 15 total damage, xeros is still alive but he's not getting so good, Samuel has still his normal attack with his long sword, he attack for a 18 on dice (-2 from spell combat + 3 strenght +1 BAB) 20, GOOD! Another hit! D8 and a good 6 on dice for a total of 9 Damage , Xeros is defeated.
I don't know if any errata came out from the relase of the ultimate magic, but from what i see i can make 2 attack at level 2 right? First with my sword normally with -2 , the second after the Concentration check to release the spell with a free attack with my sword that also get the -2 from spell combat am i right?
Or i can just cast a touch spell ( with Spell combat) and deliver it with my second attack?
GOOD! So the errata that i saw doesn't remove this thing, I would see someone from paizo in this post to confirm this for my friends.
So it's the right way to use it together? Am i right?
Never mind for the Errata, i saw this FAQ from the list on the right there( http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus )
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It feels very powerfull with a magus on when you first try it out and it is great. But if Samuel in your example had been a barbar, slayer, figther or cavalier with a two handed weapon he wouldent have needed two attacks to kill the evil Xeros.
A level 2 ranger can also make two attacks with the TWF combat style :) And he will do comperable damage on account of having a higher strength since he does not need int.
Yes, you're right XD so once again, did i correctly understand the rules of those two feats? the extra attack thing i mean.
by the way.... i don't want to max out the damage, i like more to focus on the PG Background and interpretation.
I use strenght build magus instead of the dex scimital ultra pro magus, because i like it more :)
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Yes, you're right XD so once again, did i correctly understand the rules of those two feats? the extra attack thing i mean.
by the way.... i don't want to max out the damage, i like more to focus on the PG Background and interpretation.
I use strenght build magus instead of the dex scimital ultra pro magus, because i like it more :)
Yes, you understood the rules of those two class abilities correctly.
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If you haven't already perused it, Grick's Guide to touch spells and Spellstrike is an excellent read. He actually lays out his examples similar to how you did them in your OP.
You don't need a Designer to confirm your understanding. You have it down pretty well.
I played a Strength-based Magus from level 1-12 (this profile) and can confirm that it's pretty strong, but it was also a lot of fun.
Sure, a Barbarian might deal more raw damage, but with a Magus you have options to spice up your combats.
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If you haven't already perused it, Grick's Guide to touch spells and Spellstrike is an excellent read. He actually lays out his examples similar to how you did them in your OP.
You don't need a Designer to confirm your understanding. You have it down pretty well.
I played a Strength-based Magus from level 1-12 (this profile) and can confirm that it's pretty strong, but it was also a lot of fun.
Sure, a Barbarian might deal more raw damage, but with a Magus you have options to spice up your combats.
Also way more skill points.
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I also have a silly magus question!
Can I use Pool Strike with a conductive weapon?
I don't see why not.
If so, does it grant an extra attack to deliver the pool strike?
If you were a cleric using a touch ability through a conductive weapon, would you be granted a free touch afterwards? No? Then there's nothing for Spellstrike to modify.
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The cleric doesn't have spellstrike
Which is why I referenced a free touch, rather than a free weapon attack.
and the cleric ability probably doesn't have the same wording poolstrike does.
It would have the rules for touch spells that the Pool Strike ability is emulating in the first place. Pool Strike actually borrows the "free action as part of [casting/activating]" wording straight from the Core rules on touch spells.
Since all Spellstrike does is replace the "free touch as part of casting" with a weapon attack, Spellstrike doesn't even enter the picture until such time as that free touch enters the picture. And since a touch-range SLA from a cleric and the Pool Strike ability produce the necessary free touch in the same manner, then my comparison is valid: a conductive'd Pool Strike would only produce a free touch if a conductive'd touch SLA would produce a free touch. If the latter would not, then neither would the former. And if the former doesn't produce a free touch, then there's nothing for Spellstrike to interact with.
That said, I'm just being a silly rules lawyer, carry on.
Don't flatter yourself: you're not a rules lawyer until you've checked all the rules.
;)