I just started a new campaign and my Gm gave us the character creation rules so here they are.
Level 20, mythic tier 10, any 3pp, we are to use these numbers for are base stats (as in before racial mods, magic items and level bonuses) 30 28 26 24 22 20, and we can pick any 12 magic items of any price or rarity. Basically he wants us to make super mega awesome sauce characters who are then going to stop a world war.
I have decided to make a strength based hexcrafter magus, my build so far is based around using hexes in melee as part of hex strike (for this build lets assume hexcrafter's can us hex strike) I plan on using a cestus because if I am reading it right it qualify as an unarmed strike. I have most of the the build worked out I'm just wondering what mythic path (or paths) would Work best for a magus, what magic items you would choose, what feats you would pick, and what mix of arcana and hexes you would use. Thanks for any help.
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*drools a bit over those rules and stats* dam im am envious this sounds like its going to be epic lmao, unfortunally i dont know much about mythic only played a bit before moving, and i went with a gunslinger going into ninja so i got the path that let me make a attack that my enemy loses its dex bonus and got a epic sneak attack on it, but i also had a pepper box so i could do multiple shots in a round. i also love the artifact builder they have lmao that was fun having a talking pepperbox that could transform into a regular pistol and could shoot magic missle and schorching ray lol fun times lol
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Im envious about not playing a wizard. All those power stats and creation rules...why not play the most powerful class. Mythic time stop....ummm
But as for magus. I would just assume go Archmage. Since your hexs you will be looking at mythic hexs. Some good picks would be: mirror dodge, arcane metamagic (for intensify), channel power.
Those are my thoughts.
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Get those abilities that let you use metamagic scot-free so you can quicken or maximize or heighten everything. If you're an archmage. I did this once, and it served me well. I think archmage is the best choice. Don't take Wild Arcana. If you got any summons with greater spell access, Speedy Summons would be incredible with spell combat. Also, I hope you have the Summon Spirit grand hex.
I dont Think going for unarmed(even if it works with cestus, and i dont Think it Does) is a profitable choice with a str based hex crafter. You Will lose what makes str based damage better than dex based. Also considering the new arcanas going dex based and take dex and level and spell on damage along with what could be a Classic debuffer hex crafter Sound great to me. With a tiny monk dip (one level as magus have a sad cap stone but a good level 19 thing) tog Will have amazing saves and AC. If you Throw away the cestus going blade bound is also a viable plan since your magic score at any Price wont be as good as a Black blade with the level 19 powers and arcane pool.
If you go with cestus and hex strike i suggest you still take a monk dip and use snake style to get of a lot of AOOs
If you go with a rapier and fencing grace. Get amateur swasbuckler to get the parry riposte deed as well that will give you another layer of defense and another chance to land that empowered, rimed Frostbite that you cast in your own turn. For an extra 1d6+19+10+5+4+(20+3,5)X11,5 along with fatigued, entangled, shaken and whatever other debuff you can sneek in. :)
If you go with cestus and snake style you can do this several times pr round of cause but the damage will be 19 Down.
Edit: the above damage example is with out any magic items beside your black blade. With items and mythic stuff you will be just fine.
If you go with a rapier and fencing grace. Get amateur swasbuckler to get the parry riposte deed as well that will give you another layer of defense and another chance to land that empowered, rimed Frostbite that you cast in your own turn. For an extra 1d6+19+10+5+4+(20+3,5)X11,5 along with fatigued, entangled, shaken and whatever other debuff you can sneek in. :)
If you go with cestus and snake style you can do this several times pr round of cause but the damage will be 19 Down.
Edit: the above damage example is with out any magic items beside your black blade. With items and mythic stuff you will be just fine.
Alternatively, there the Flamboyant Arcana, which if you have low CHA is likely better than Amateur Swashbuckler, as you can use your much larger Arcane Pool for deeds, instead of the very limited Amateur Panache pool.
Flamboyant Arcana also grants you not only the Opportune Parry and Riposte deed, but also the very versatile Daring-Do deed. It also then allows taking Arcane Deed, where you can choose any swashbuckler deed that your magus level as a swashbuckler would allow (hint hint... Deadly Stab...). With Slashing Grace, you can do the deeds with a particular slashing weapon, if that is your flavor. (Swashbuckling Dervish?)
If you go with a rapier and fencing grace. Get amateur swasbuckler to get the parry riposte deed as well that will give you another layer of defense and another chance to land that empowered, rimed Frostbite that you cast in your own turn. For an extra 1d6+19+10+5+4+(20+3,5)X11,5 along with fatigued, entangled, shaken and whatever other debuff you can sneek in. :)
If you go with cestus and snake style you can do this several times pr round of cause but the damage will be 19 Down.
Edit: the above damage example is with out any magic items beside your black blade. With items and mythic stuff you will be just fine.Alternatively, there the Flamboyant Arcana, which if you have low CHA is likely better than Amateur Swashbuckler, as you can use your much larger Arcane Pool for deeds, instead of the very limited Amateur Panache pool.
Flamboyant Arcana also grants you not only the Opportune Parry and Riposte deed, but also the very versatile Daring-Do deed. It also then allows taking Arcane Deed, where you can choose any swashbuckler deed that your magus level as a swashbuckler would allow (hint hint... Deadly Stab...). With Slashing Grace, you can do the deeds with a particular slashing weapon, if that is your flavor. (Swashbuckling Dervish?)
Even if he dumps char(and i suggest he does) he will have somthing like 26 in it for this game( assuming one of his 12, the cost dosent matter,items is a +6 headband as it should be.. And arcane pool is not coming back when you score a crit. Even if you can get some back with the black blade level 19 power.
He will want the arcane deeds arcanas but to get level to damage the other is just a arcana tax.
Amateur Swashbucker is limited to a single 1st level deed, and it doesn't say you can take it more than once to add another deed. Arcane Deed has Flamboyant Arcana as a prerequisite, so you'll have to take it anyway if you are trying to get Precise Strike.
Amateur Swashbucker is limited to a single 1st level deed, and it doesn't say you can take it more than once to add another deed. Arcane Deed has Flamboyant Arcana as a prerequisite, so you'll have to take it anyway if you are trying to get Precise Strike.
Yes i know. But amateur swash will allow him to have a panache pool for oppotunete parry and riposte.
Flamboyant Arcana will allow him to parry 10+ int pr Day if dosent spend his pool on anything else. That os a bad deal, not to have but to use). He wants it but only to get arcane deed(precise strike). If he goes with a rapier he will crit all the time and he will have a good amount of panache even if he only start with 1 pr Day.Edit: the suggestion you responded to was a continuation of one where i said what you just did, among other things.
Amateur Swashbucker is limited to a single 1st level deed, and it doesn't say you can take it more than once to add another deed. Arcane Deed has Flamboyant Arcana as a prerequisite, so you'll have to take it anyway if you are trying to get Precise Strike.Yes i know. But amateur swash will allow him to have a panache pool for oppotunete parry and riposte.
Flamboyant Arcana will allow him to parry 10+ int pr Day if dosent spend his pool on anything else. That os a bad deal, not to have but to use). He wants it but only to get arcane deed(precise strike). If he goes with a rapier he will crit all the time and he will have a good amount of panache even if he only start with 1 pr Day.
Edit: the suggestion you responded to was a continuation of one where i said what you just did, among other things.
I guess it would depend on how often you intend to parry. The problem with the Magus and the parry deed, is that the magus' lower BAB means the chance of a successful parry is far lower than the full-BAB swashbuckler, and at level 20, this disparity will be even greater (-5 so 25% less effective). For that reason, at least to me, the most important deed would be the precise strike, and it does not USE panache, just have to have one (arcane pool in this case) point.
I guess it would depend on how often you intend to parry. The problem with the Magus and the parry deed, is that the magus' lower BAB means the chance of a successful parry is far lower than the full-BAB swashbuckler, and at level 20, this disparity will be even greater (-5 so 25% less effective). For that reason, at least to me, the most important deed would be the precise strike, and it does not USE panache, just have to have one (arcane pool in this case) point.Amateur Swashbucker is limited to a single 1st level deed, and it doesn't say you can take it more than once to add another deed. Arcane Deed has Flamboyant Arcana as a prerequisite, so you'll have to take it anyway if you are trying to get Precise Strike.Yes i know. But amateur swash will allow him to have a panache pool for oppotunete parry and riposte.
Flamboyant Arcana will allow him to parry 10+ int pr Day if dosent spend his pool on anything else. That os a bad deal, not to have but to use). He wants it but only to get arcane deed(precise strike). If he goes with a rapier he will crit all the time and he will have a good amount of panache even if he only start with 1 pr Day.
Edit: the suggestion you responded to was a continuation of one where i said what you just did, among other things.
Precise strike is not gonna happen with amateur swash any way and this guy will have 60(30 start +10 for mythic+2 feat+ 5 level+5manual+6 belt+ 2 race) in his tragetting stat så he is not gonna feel the 5 points in to hit.
I just started a new campaign and my Gm gave us the character creation rules so here they are.
Level 20, mythic tier 10, any 3pp, we are to use these numbers for are base stats (as in before racial mods, magic items and level bonuses) 30 28 26 24 22 20, and we can pick any 12 magic items of any price or rarity. Basically he wants us to make super mega awesome sauce characters who are then going to stop a world war.
Holy!?..... Your DM sure he can handle the power he is unleashing?
I would say Champion Dual Pathing to Archmage if Magus is your choice.
Ya, I would say that's what you're going to have to do in order to get what you want. Don't skimp on those mythic level spells ya hear.
for pretty much any magus i think dual path champion/archmage is the way to go... there might be some builds that are be better off with guardian/archmage (or maybe even one for trickster), but its hard to go wrong with champion/archmage.
as for hexing strike... i don't see anything that would let you use that with cestus... do you get some gold to buy a few things with or just the 12 free items? you don't want to blow a free item on it, but you could pick up a monk's robe... that gives you a lethal unarmed strike (for 1d8, i think); combine that with a +5 amulet of mighty fists and you could make some use of hexing strike
Go Dual Path. Champion and Archmage. Take freakin Wild Arcana and Fleet Charge, period. The Rest is bonus.
Okay so after Reading your advice Hear is what I have come up with.
Male Half-Elf Magus 20 Champion/Archmage tier 10 |
STRENGTH
54 (+22)
HIT POINTS
HP 432
Current HP
DEXTERITY
24 (+7)
CONSTITUTION
32 (+11)
INTELLIGENCE
45 (+17)
WISDOM
28 (+9)
CHARISMA
20 (+5)
Initiative +23 = 7 [Dex] +2 [Trait] + 10 [Mythic] +4 [Dueling]
Mythic Power (Per day) 23
EQUIPMENT
Belt of Physical Might (+6 to Str and Con), Headband of Mental Prowess (+6 to Int and Wis), Pearl of Power (Two Spells), Manual of Gainful Exercise (+5), Tome of Clear Thought (+5), +5 heavily fortified mithral Full Plate Armor, Ring of Protection (+5), Ring of Wizardry (IV), +5 Dueling Copper Plated Cestus, Amulet of Mighty Fists (+5).
NOTES
Base Speed [ 20 (4 sq.) ]
AC [32] = 10 +14 [+5 Full Plate] +3 [max Dex] +5 [Ring]
Touch AC [13] Flat-Footed [29]
BASE ATTACK BONUS
+15
Basic Melee Attack +37
Basic Ranged Attack +22
FORTITUDE SAVE
+23 = 12 [base] +11 [Con]
REFLEX SAVE
+13 = 6 [base] +5 [Dex]
WILL SAVE
+23 = 12 [base] +9 [Wis] +2 [Racial]
CMB
+30 = 15 [BAB] +15 [Str] +0 [size]
CMD
+47 = 10 +15 [BAB] +15 [Str] +7 [Dex] +0 [size]
FEATS
Accursed Hex
Arcane Strike
Enforcer
Power Attack
Quicken Spell
Dazing Spell
Empower Spell
Intensified Spell
Rime Spell
Hex Strike (Slumber)
Hex Strike (Ice Tomb)
Hex Strike (Evil Eye)
Hex Strike (Retribution)
Dual Path (Archmage)
Arcane Strike (Mythic)
Accursed Hex (Mythic)
Power Attack (Mythic)
TRAITS
Reactionary
Pride
Magical Lineage (Frostbite)
Wayang Spell hunter (Shocking Grasp)
Magus Spells Per Day
Level 1 9
Level 2 9
Level 3 8
Level 4 13
Level 5 8
Level 6 8
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Half-Elf
Racial Abilities:
Keen Senses: Half-elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception checks. Dual Minded: The mixed ancestry of some half-elves makes them resistant to mental attacks. Half-elves with this racial trait gain a +2 bonus on all Will saving throws. This racial trait replaces the adaptability racial trait. Low-Light Vision: Half-elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light. Elf Blood: Half-elves count as both elves and humans for any effect related to race. Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes. Elven Immunities: Half-elves are immune to magic sleep effects and gain a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
Magus
True Magus
Greater Spell Access
Counterstrike
Greater Spell Combat
Heavy Armor
Hex Magus Hex Arcana
Fighter Training
Improved Spell Combat
Knowledge Pool
Medium Armor
3 Bonus Feat(s)
Spell Recall
9 Magus Arcana
Spellstrike
Arcane Pool (24 points per day)
Cantrips
Spell Combat
Known Arcana
Arcane Accuracy, Accurate Strike, Flamboyant Arcana, Arcane Deed (Precise Strike), Arcana Deed (Deadly Stab).
Known Hexes Slumber, Evil Eye, Ice Tomb, Summon Spirit, Retribution.
Mythic Paths
Champion: Fleet Charge Precision Fleet warrior Legendary Champion
Archmage: Arcane Surge Coupled Arcana Shapeshifting Mastery Arcane Metamastery x4 Channel Power Mythic Spellcasting (?)
I still have one myhtic feat left as well as a few magic items. I am unsure what mythic spell to grab any tips would be welcomed. The main reason I went with a strength magus over a dex magus is because of the polymorpth spells, by using Monstrous Physique and turning into a Calikang I can grab five extra attacks that's a lot of damage and a dex build couldn't really do this. However a dex build would have better ac, saves, and initiative and so I built that to and we will see which is better.
Male Half-Elf Magus 20 |
STRENGTH
20 (+5)
HIT POINTS
HP 432
Current HP
DEXTERITY
54 (+22)
CONSTITUTION
32 (+11)
INTELLIGENCE
45 (+17)
WISDOM
28 (+9)
CHARISMA
24 (+7)
Initiative +38 = 22 [Dex] +2 [Trait] + 10 [Mythic] +4 [Dueling]
Mythic Power (Per day) 23
EQUIPMENT
Belt of Physical Might (+6 to dex and Con), Headband of Mental Prowess (+6 to Int and Wis), Pearl of Power (Two Spells), Manual of Quickness of Action (+5), Tome of Clear Thought (+5), Amulet of Mighty Fists (+5), Ring of Protection (+5), Ring of Wizardry (IV), +5 Dueling Copper Plated Cestus, (+5) heavily fortified Silken Ceremonial Armor.
NOTES
Base Speed [ 30 (4 sq.) ]
AC [43] = 10 +6 [+5 heavily fortified Silken Ceremonial Armor] +22 [Dex] +5 [Ring]
Touch AC [37] Flat-Footed [21]
BASE ATTACK BONUS
+15
Basic Melee Attack +20
Basic Ranged Attack +37
FORTITUDE SAVE
+23 = 12 [base] +11 [Con]
REFLEX SAVE
+28 = 6 [base] +22 [Dex]
WILL SAVE
+23 = 12 [base] +9 [Wis] +2 [Racial]
CMB
20 = 15 [BAB] +5 [Str] +0 [size]
CMD
52= 10 +15 [BAB] +5 [Str] +22 [Dex] +0 [size]
FEATS
Accursed Hex
Enforcer
Power Attack
Quicken Spell
Dazing Spell
Empower Spell
Intensified Spell
Rime Spell
Hex Strike (Slumber)
Hex Strike (Ice Tomb)
Hex Strike (Evil Eye)
Hex Strike (Retribution)
Weapon Finesse
Weapon Finesse(Mythic)
Dual Path (Archmage)
Accursed Hex (Mythic)
Power Attack (Mythic)
TRAITS
Reactionary
Pride
Magical Lineage (Frostbite)
Wayang Spell hunter (Shocking Grasp)
Magus Spells Per Day
Level 1 9
Level 2 9
Level 3 8
Level 4 13
Level 5 8
Level 6 8
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Half-Elf
Racial Abilities:
Keen Senses: Half-elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception checks. Dual Minded: The mixed ancestry of some half-elves makes them resistant to mental attacks. Half-elves with this racial trait gain a +2 bonus on all Will saving throws. This racial trait replaces the adaptability racial trait. Low-Light Vision: Half-elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light. Elf Blood: Half-elves count as both elves and humans for any effect related to race. Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes. Elven Immunities: Half-elves are immune to magic sleep effects and gain a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
Magus
True Magus
Greater Spell Access
Counterstrike
Greater Spell Combat
Heavy Armor
Hex Magus Hex Arcana
Fighter Training
Improved Spell Combat
Knowledge Pool
Medium Armor
3 Bonus Feat(s)
Spell Recall
9 Magus Arcana
Spellstrike
Arcane Pool (24 points per day)
Cantrips
Spell Combat
Known Arcana
Arcane Accuracy, Accurate Strike, Flamboyant Arcana, Arcane Deed (Precise Strike), Arcana Deed (Deadly Stab).
Known Hexes Slumber, Evil Eye, Ice Tomb, Summon Spirit, Retribution.
Mythic Paths
Champion: Fleet Charge Precision Fleet warrior Legendary Champion
Archmage: Arcane Surge Coupled Arcana Arcane Metamastery x4 Channel Power Mythic Spellcasting x2 (?)
So it's the same deal as before I still have one mythic feat and a few magic items left to pick as i said the main difference is the ac, saves, and initiative which the dex build is much better at. Also no Calikang which is sad but it gets one more mythic spell so yeah there is that.
I know you all don't like the hex strike part but its what I want so I will take the hit to over all strength for it. A note on ability scores I didn't go all out into strength/dex and instead buffed intelligence a bit so that I still have good dc's, also Cap. Darling you have a feat bonus listed in your break down of the attack stat I'm curious where this is from.
And lastly thank you all so much for the advice.
Additional arcanas can be achieved through the feat (Extra arcana) which is rather well worth it
1 Didn't know about that item thanks!
2 It is a house rule yes.
3 It only works on non mythic creatures and given how powerful the team is going to be I don't think we will be running into many of them.
4 It would take up one of his hands and he would lose that slam but he could do it.
5 I would but I may not always be Polymorphed or I may be something other than a Calikang, but it would make things easier yes.
6 True but I don't see sudden strike being that much better I either move and attack with a plus 10 bonus as swift action or I attack as a swift action and get to reroll the attck roll if I miss it's a meh choice to me but you have a point.
7 True true.
8 The Elf's favored class bonus gives you three extra Arcana by level 18 and thanks to a recent FAQ half-elves can take it.
9 How dumb of me I forgot that i could put more then one enchantment on an item thanks.
10 also true thanks.
11 From what I have read frostbite would activate enforcer but yes I should grab that trait to be sure.
12 It is called Ring of Continuation but the spell has to have a duration of 10 minutes per level for it to work which monstrous physique does not unfortunately.
Thanks for all the help!
If there are rules for such items then yes if not then no.
By raw the bladebound archetype and hexcrafter archetype don't stack but I'm sure my GM would let me, but it also doesn't mesh to well with what I'm trying to do.
My GM is being Nice as it is I don't want to make him regret it though it is tempting.
4 Shapeshifting Mastery makes it so my base attack bonus is equal to my caster level (which is 20) for the natural attacks of what ever I Polymorph into 20-5=15 which is equal to my normal BAB.
5 If you find a way I would be very interested.
6 true I probably wont end up using either so it doesn't really matter but its true all the same.
11 Found a solution, the merciful enchantment should do the job I think.
Also Dafydd to the best of my knowledge pearls of power are reusable?
Wow those stats are ridicolous, ridicolous. That DM is a genius with math or he will go nuts in the middle of the campaign.
Wow those stats are ridicolous, ridicolous. That DM is a genius with math or he will go nuts in the middle of the campaign.
I think the last. But i am hoping the OP will come back and tell us how this turns out.
I was thinking Why use slumber after all I could grab Eternal Slumber its better in almost every way the only problem I see is waking someone up if I need to for some reason. Also any good Wizard spells I Should grab with greater spell access perhaps ones with good mythic options?
Edit: First game Is Thursday I will let you know what happens.
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Do you want to be more magic based or phyiscal based?
Kensai wins out over hexcrafter, IMO, but then again, I did write the guide on them :P. Bt honestly, Kensai at level 20 is a beast, having the highest -reasonable- initiative (OTher builds get higher, but they are built specifically for initiative), and trust me when I say your game sounds like it's going to become a battle of initiatives.
Ethier way though.
For help with itemization, the guide I wrote has essentially the best-in-slot items for a magus in it. Find it here.
Hi Frodo believe it or not have read your guide before (It is very good by the way) and if I was Staring at level one I would be a Kensai Bladebound Fiend Flayer Magus because it seems like the most sensible choice. But I have wanted to play this build for a while now and it only works at very high level because of the high feat requirements and I feel like this is my only chance to play this character so I am taking it after all the whole point is to have fun.
I agree his item list is superb.
Edit: I just realized most things past CR 20 are immune to fear does this mean I should drop enforcer?
Hey guys I'm back after the first game and it went well (and sorry about the delay got the dates wrong). Like you said Frodo it became a matter of who went first not that normal play isn't already like that bu this was just more so. Anyways thank you all very much for your advice it was a big help.