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Does a Sacred Fist Warpriest benefit from a Monk's Robe as if they had actual levels in Monk? Or do they just get the benefits of a level 5 monk like everyone else does?
Unarmed Strike: At 1st level, a sacred fist gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. He uses his warpriest levels as monk levels for determining the amount of damage dealt with an unarmed strike. This ability replaces focus weapon.
A sacred fist treats his level as monk levels for unarmed strike. Therefore a monk's robe increases the Sacred Fist's unarmed damage as if he was a monk.
No. "If the character is not a monk, she gains the AC and unarmed damage of a 5th-level monk". The Sacred Fist is not a monk and nothing says they treat magic items as if they were a monk. That said, I would allow it in a home game but not at a PFS table.
But a Sacred Fist does have monk levels for the purpose of determining the amount of damage dealt with an unarmed strike.
This is a class feature specific rule overriding the general rule of If the character is not a monk, she gains the AC and unarmed damage of a 5th-level monk.
A monk's robe grants level + 5 damage to a sacred fist.
No where does it say a Sacred Fist is or acts like a monk. They simply get abilities that are similar to a monks. The Robe specifically says "Monk or not monk" therefore the Robes will only give the Sacred Fist Warpriest unarmed equal to a level 5 monk. no lower, no higher.
No where does it say a Sacred Fist is or acts like a monk. They simply get abilities that are similar to a monks. The Robe specifically says "Monk or not monk" therefore the Robes will only give the Sacred Fist Warpriest unarmed equal to a level 5 monk. no lower, no higher.
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He uses his warpriest levels as monk levels for determining the amount of damage dealt with an unarmed strike.
There is Ultimate Equipment, all the splat books, and everything added later that was done before ACG. I think it would be a little uptight to not let some of those items work with class features these hybrids posess (i.e. scaling monk unarmed damage on sacred fists) due to the item being an old entry.
It would be very unimaginative to say the least.
no where in the sacred fist archetype it is stated that sacred fist counts his levels as a monk for item purposes.
unlike sacred fist, the brawler HAS that exact wording allowing him to use monk's robe.
whether by oversight or intentional, monk's robe won't work for a sacred fist.
monk's robe raises his MONK level by 5. or gives him a lvl5 monk's unarmed damage. Since his own ability doesn't STACK with monk. it wont work.
the ability would either have to say that "sacred fist counts his warpriest levels as a monk for magical items."
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"his levels stack with monk for determining unarmed damage"
It doesn't need to say warpriest levels stack with monk because it says warpriest levels count as monk levels for determining unarmed strike damage.
that doesnt mean they stack.
a monk 10/sacred fist 10 still deals unarmed damage as lvl10 monk.
it is stated specifically in the ACG that many of the classes take things from their parent classes that make them redundant since they dont stack.
actual language used it
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While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities
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take channel p.e.
a lot of classes gain channel that usually reads as (can channel as a cleric of her level or her level-3 and etc). but unless specified. each class grants a SEPERATE pool of channels. since they dont say they stack.
Monk is not a parent class of warpriest and the sacred fist specifically states war priest levels count as monk levels for the purpose of unarmed damage.
This is actually just wrong. It explicitly states it stacks right here.
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He uses his warpriest levels as monk levels for determining the amount of damage dealt with an unarmed strike.
Since it's not a parent class it stacks.
A sacred fist 3 monk 3 would have a D8 unarmed strike because you have 3 monk levels and then you have 3 effective monk levels.
nope
p.e.:
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Channel Positive Energy (Su): When a paladin reaches 4th level, she gains the supernatural ability to channel positive energy like a cleric. Using this ability consumes two uses of her lay on hands ability. A paladin uses her level as her effective cleric level when channeling positive energy. This is a Charisma-based ability.
same wording as:
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He uses his warpriest levels as monk levels for determining the
still doesn't stack with channel from a cleric.
it gives two SEPERATE channel pools despite having a clear wording that paladin lvl=cleric lvl for channeling.
an ability needs to say it stacks in order to actually stack
Using something as something isn't the same as BEING something. Using a door as a shield is still a door. Using a stick as a sword is still a stick. Using Warpriest levels as monk is still a warpriest.
Because people want to argue it so much, when I read the text it clearly and obviously means IMO, that you simply use his levels as monk levels to determine your unarmed damage. I.E. they are saying use the monks unarmed damage chart because it's common sense. They are not saying "The war priest counts as a monk in all regards for being a monk" if that were the case why does the warpriest's AC modifer re-state itself word for word instead of saying "Is exactly the same as the monks AC modifer"? Simple. It's because Warpriests are NOT monks. The Magic item works for monks. It's pretty clear to see that it doesn't stack. I mean..it's in the literal words of the magic item. Also, the ability in question says "Treat levels as monk levels for unarmed damage" not "treat all effects that effect monks to effect the Sacred Fist Warpriest".
I myself would LOVE it if things like this stacked, but sadly, they don't. I was heartbroken when I learned that my Cavalier and Paladin abilities wouldn't stack as far as my mounts level goes. :(
Tl;DR The ability in questions says to use your levels to adjust your unarmed damage equal to that of a monk of the same level. It does not say count the warpriests levels as monk levels for determining magical items that effect monks. No more, no less.
I myself would LOVE it if things like this stacked, but sadly, they don't. I was heartbroken when I learned that my Cavalier and Paladin abilities wouldn't stack as far as my mounts level goes. :(
I'm uh... I'm not sure how to break this to you, but they do. They both give you effective druid levels. As long as you pick an AC that's available to both, they stack.
I myself would LOVE it if things like this stacked, but sadly, they don't. I was heartbroken when I learned that my Cavalier and Paladin abilities wouldn't stack as far as my mounts level goes. :(
I'm uh... I'm not sure how to break this to you, but they do. They both give you effective druid levels. As long as you pick an AC that's available to both, they stack.
Sorry, I had forgot to mention that my Paladin chose the bonded weapon. So he was no longer eligible to get a mount unless he wanted it to be level 1. :(
Edit: Scratch that. I'll make another thread to question it.
The monk's robe treast him as a non-monk. What does it do, if he is a non-monk? It gives him the unarmed damage of a 5th level monk. And each of his 5 warpriest levels also count as monk levels. So his total number of effective monk levels is 10.
I understand how some people could interpret this differently, but this is how I see it.
