Doomharp + Bard-Archetype without Dirge of Doom

[Talandor]

Cheers,

Can a Bard with an Archetype that replaces Dirge of Doom (e.g. Dervish Dancer, Flame Dancer) use a Doomharp to get Dirge of Doom?
If that is the case, can he afterwards get the improved and greater dirge of doom feat?

Doomharp text wrote:

Made from bone and sun-dried sinew, this masterwork harp produces a vague sense of unease in anyone near it. If the owner of this item has the bardic performance class feature he can use it to perform a dirge of doom even if he is not of sufficient level to normally have access to that ability. A bard who can use dirge of doom and who plays the harp as part of his performance increases the effective radius to 60 feet.

My conflict:

"even if he is not of sufficient Level". RAW this seems no hard limitation, but actually is an explicit enabler. However, it seems to indicate that developers did not consider Archetypes without Dirge?

Improved Dirge of Doom text:

Improved Dirge of Doom feat prereq text wrote:

Prerequisite(s): Ability to perform dirge of doom.

--> it does not say "dirge of doom class ability", but just ability - so it should be possible by RAW.

Thoughts?

Thx

[Fourshadow]

The way it is worded, I do not see why not.

[Cyrus Lanthier]

I think that if you can use the harp to dirge of doom, then you can take the feat...

On the other hand, I do think that you have to be able to learn Dirge of Doom *eventually* as a Bard in order to use the harp. The reason you can't use Dirge of Doom isn't just an insufficient level, but that you traded that ability away. Even if you were level 50, you wouldn't have Dirge of Doom, therefore the insufficient level bit does not apply to the bard in question... For this reason I would rule that the Dervish Dancer probably can't use the harp at all.

[Zhayne]

Perfectly legal.