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an eidolon can have multiple sets of claws, but do i need to select rend multiple times to have multiple rend procs against the same target if i have two sets of claws?

Dark Archive

Yes. One rend evolution per rend attack, and each rend requires 2 claws.

EDIT: it suddenly occurred to me that I'm not actually sure you even CAN have more than one rend attack. Researching it now.


I should think not, since Rend is bound to attack type.

Dark Archive

So the Monster Ability Rend states that you can only rend once per round. But the Eidolon's Rend doesn't say that. But it does say "gains the rend attack" which would lead me to believe that it would still follow the rules of the normal rend ability. So honestly I could see this going both ways.

I still believe it would be 1 rend per set of claws but I'm unsure if you can even have more than one rend.


i dont want to spam the threads, so im ganna ask another question here since its related.

If its the case that i cant have 2 rend attacks when it comes the the evo's, do you think itd be possible to have 1 rend evolution for one set of claws, then rending claws feat for the second set?

Im doing my best to find these on my own, but there such odd questions i cant seem to find a definitive answer.


The Bestiary Universal Monster Rules state that Rend can only be used once per round. Eidolon rules do not always follow the monster rules, but the Rend evolution does not specify it can be taken more than once, so it can only be taken once.

Grand Lodge

Rend does not say you can take it more than once, so you can only select it once.


Brf wrote:
The Bestiary Universal Monster Rules state that Rend can only be used once per round. Eidolon rules do not always follow the monster rules, but the Rend evolution does not specify it can be taken more than once, so it can only be taken once.

Thats a good point, i cant take it more then once. But does that mean it only get proc'd once a round?

Gah this is driving me mad.

Dark Archive

Ah by all that is good and holy I missed that. Urg...shouldn't hop on the forums after a tiring day of work. So yeah one rend evo and one rend attack total.


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So if you have four claws and one rend attack, then would I be correct in interpreting this as saying that you would roll your claw attacks and then follow it up with a rend attack if at least two of the claw attacks hit?


Yes, it only procs once, but having 4 claws gives you more chances to land the two hits to proc it.

Sczarni

I assume "procs" is slang for "triggers", or something?

Dark Archive

Nefreet wrote:
I assume "procs" is slang for "triggers", or something?

Yes. Though technically they are using it wrong. It is meant to refer to a (P)rogrammed (R)andom (OC)curance in video games and is used for in relation to random number generators. But it's often incorrectly used to mean "trigger".

Sczarni

Got it.

Gotta stay hip with the lingo, and all that jive.

Dark Archive

Nefreet wrote:

Got it.

Gotta stay hip with the lingo, and all that jive.

Groovy

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That Crazy Alchemist wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
I assume "procs" is slang for "triggers", or something?
Yes. Though technically they are using it wrong. It is meant to refer to a (P)rogrammed (R)andom (OC)curance in video games and is used for in relation to random number generators. But it's often incorrectly used to mean "trigger".

Ah, is that really what it means? Cool. Yeah I've always seen it used to mean trigger. Good to know that it really should be used in reference to video games.

Grand Lodge

You get one rend period. You must hit with two claw attacks at a minimum to get that one rend so having four claws will increase the chance of getting that rend attack.

Keep also in mind that Rend counts as one natural attack toward your Eidolon's ceiling of max number of natural attacks.

Dark Archive

LazarX wrote:

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Keep also in mind that Rend counts as one natural attack toward your Eidolon's ceiling of max number of natural attacks.

I might argue against that one LazarX. Rend isn't actually a natural attack since the bestiary doesn't list it as one nor is there any actual "attack roll" the Eidolon simply does the extra damage automatically once two claws have struck. So I do not belive Rend counts against the Nat attack cap.

Grand Lodge

That Crazy Alchemist wrote:
LazarX wrote:

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Keep also in mind that Rend counts as one natural attack toward your Eidolon's ceiling of max number of natural attacks.
I might argue against that one LazarX. Rend isn't actually a natural attack since the bestiary doesn't list it as one nor is there any actually "attack roll" the Eidolon simply does the extra damage automatically once two claws have struck. So I do not belive Rend counts against the Nat attack cap.

Yes, you're right on that one, I was conflating it with Rake.

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