Battle Cry Feat from Advanced Class Guide

[xebeche]

Quote:

Battle Cry (Combat) Pathfinder RPG Advanced Class Guide 141

Your shout heartens your allies and encourages them in the fight.
Prerequisites: Cha 13; base attack bonus +5 or Perform (act, oratory, or sing) 5 ranks.
Benefit: A number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus, you can let out a battle cry as a swift action. When you do, allies within 30 feet who can hear you gain a +1 morale bonus on attack rolls and a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear. This effect lasts for 1 minute.

If an ally is under the effect of this feat and fails a saving throw, she can choose to end the battle cry’s effect on her to reroll the failed save. The ally must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s lower. Each ally can use this effect only once per use of this feat.

I would like clarification on the second paragraph of this feat as only fear effects are covered in the first paragraph. Is it intended for this feat to apply every bit as much to slay living as it would to cause fear?

[Chess Pwn]

I feel as worded it would be any failed save.

[Jeff Merola]

Chess Pwn wrote:

I feel as worded it would be any failed save.

As worded, yes. I believe this thread is trying to get a comment onto whether or not that it was intended to do so.

Personally I feel it wasn't, and houserule it to only apply to saves vs fear in my homegames.

[RumpinRufus]

The first time I read it, I thought the reroll applied only to fear effects. But as I reread it, it definitely allows you to reroll any failed saving throw.

It's a really strong feat, and my character is going to take it next time he gains a feat.

[NOG the Demoralizer]

Seems too powerful for the minimal prerequisite, I can't imagine it is any save, but if it is, my Holy Vindicator totally wants this!

In all seriousness, this removes much of the danger of SoD/SoS BBEG fights for the cost of one feat, in a regular group this is an investment I am sure someone would be willing to sneak in to their build.

FAQ'd

[Ascalaphus]

Huh, I hadn't realized this. Looks pretty nice, maybe too nice to be true. FAQ'ed, though I'm hoping this was actually the intent; I don't really like SoD/SoS.

[Aeleth]

If this is a question about developer intent, shouldn't this be in General discussion rather than rules questions? The wording of the feat itself is pretty clear, notwithstanding the above-expressed opinions about the strength of the feat.

[xebeche]

I should have been more clear with my original post, which wasn't written so much to the community as to the creator of the feat and to Paizo's staff. I would like confirmation as to whether the feat was intended to work like it is written or not.

If it is to remain unchanged I might encourage the Pathfinder Society Organized Play staff to reconsider its inclusion in the campaign.

[Anzyr]

xebeche wrote:

I should have been more clear with my original post, which wasn't written so much to the community as to the creator of the feat and to Paizo's staff. I would like confirmation as to whether the feat was intended to work like it is written or not.

If it is to remain unchanged I might encourage the Pathfinder Society Organized Play staff to reconsider its inclusion in the campaign.

Because... why? Martials can't have nice things?

[Ascalaphus]

Eh. It's not a martial-only feat. It works just as well for casters.

[Serisan]

As written, it is THE level 5 feat for bards/skalds. Could work well for a lot of other classes, as well, but it's right in line with other bard/skald abilities.

[Anzyr]

Ascalaphus wrote:

Eh. It's not a martial-only feat. It works just as well for casters.

Nah, they have much better things to do with their Swift Actions. Like end encounters.

[Aristophanes]

Yeah. My Bard just turned 7th. His opening round will be Battle Cry/Haste/Inspire Courage. +4 to hit, +2 damage. If the cleric does Prayer, it's +5/+3. The Bloodrager likes me. ;-)