Natural Attacks Question

[GreyBlack]

Hey all! So I'm currently running a character in a campaign whom I've decided to base around the idea that he is a bear, even though he isn't. As such, my current build is a Level 3 Shapeshifter Ranger/3 Beast Totem Barbarian. In doing so, my DM and I have identified a weird rule sticking point between us.

Now, for reference, my stats are as follows*:

Half-Orc Ranger 3 (Shapeshifter Archetype)/3 Barbarian (Beast Totem Archetype)
Str: 21
Dex: 12
Con: 18
Int: 10
Wis: 14
Cha: 8

Alternate Racial Feature - Toothy (Primary Bite Attack - 1d4 damage)

Skills are unimportant to my question, so I'm leaving them out for the time being.

Feats:
1 - Power Attack
2 (Combat Style: Natural Attack) - Aspect of the Beast - Claws of the Beast (2 Primary Claw Attacks - 1d4 damage)
3 - Improved Bull Rush
5 - Extra Rage

Rage Power - Beast Totem (Lesser)

And, for reference, the Pathfinder SRD rules on natural attacks:
http://paizo.com/prd/monsters/universalMonsterRules.html

So, assuming I'm not attacking with a weapon, I have a couple questions:
1a. When not raging, how many natural attacks do I have?
1b. What are the attack bonuses on these attacks?
2a. When raging, how many natural attacks do I have?
2b. What are the attack bonuses on these attacks?

According to my DM, I have 3 attacks, 2 claws and a bite regardless of whether I'm raging or not. Because of the wording on Lesser Beast Totem, I believe I actually gain an additional 2 primary claw attacks, kicking me up to 5 attacks at full BAB, 4 claws and a bite. Who is right, my DM or me?

And, just to be clear, this was a totally accidental thing. When building the character, I was just trying to make a guy who thought he was a bear, so this feels somewhat odd.

*Nonstandard Point Buy: All PCs are given a pool of 80 points, no stat before racial modifiers can be above 18 or below 3.

[Chess Pwn]

1a) 3 attacks, two claws and a bite
1b) full bab and full str. so +11 claw 1d4+5, +9 claw 1d4+9 for power attack
2a) 3 attacks, two claws and a bite, but you have the 1d6 for the claws from the rage
2b) same as before. so +13 claw 1d6+7, +11 claw 1d6+11 for power attack.

also beast totem isn't an archetype, it's a rage power.

[thorin001]

GreyBlack wrote:

Hey all! So I'm currently running a character in a campaign whom I've decided to base around the idea that he is a bear, even though he isn't. As such, my current build is a Level 3 Shapeshifter Ranger/3 Beast Totem Barbarian. In doing so, my DM and I have identified a weird rule sticking point between us.

Now, for reference, my stats are as follows*:

Half-Orc Ranger 3 (Shapeshifter Archetype)/3 Barbarian (Beast Totem Archetype)
Str: 21
Dex: 12
Con: 18
Int: 10
Wis: 14
Cha: 8

Alternate Racial Feature - Toothy (Primary Bite Attack - 1d4 damage)

Skills are unimportant to my question, so I'm leaving them out for the time being.

Feats:
1 - Power Attack
2 (Combat Style: Natural Attack) - Aspect of the Beast - Claws of the Beast (2 Primary Claw Attacks - 1d4 damage)
3 - Improved Bull Rush
5 - Extra Rage

Rage Power - Beast Totem (Lesser)

And, for reference, the Pathfinder SRD rules on natural attacks:
http://paizo.com/prd/monsters/universalMonsterRules.html

So, assuming I'm not attacking with a weapon, I have a couple questions:
1a. When not raging, how many natural attacks do I have?
1b. What are the attack bonuses on these attacks?
2a. When raging, how many natural attacks do I have?
2b. What are the attack bonuses on these attacks?

According to my DM, I have 3 attacks, 2 claws and a bite regardless of whether I'm raging or not. Because of the wording on Lesser Beast Totem, I believe I actually gain an additional 2 primary claw attacks, kicking me up to 5 attacks at full BAB, 4 claws and a bite. Who is right, my DM or me?

And, just to be clear, this was a totally accidental thing. When building the character, I was just trying to make a guy who thought he was a bear, so this feels somewhat odd.

*Nonstandard Point Buy: All PCs are given a pool of 80 points, no stat before racial modifiers can be above 18 or below 3.

Your DM is correct, rage or not you have 2 claws and a bite. The big difference is that your claws do 1d6 when raging as opposed to 1d4 when not. You only have 2 arms to put claws at the end of.

If you are going for the pounce ability then stick with beast totem. If you want an extra attack then go with fiend totem, it gives you a gore attack.

[Rynjin]

Why not be an actual bear? Coldborn Skinwalker.

Anywho, unless you have 4 arms, mo' claw attacks don't stack.

[Bandw2]

Claws require 1 arm per claw attack and cannot stack.

[Rikkan]

Bestiary faq: If I gain claw attacks, can I put those claw attacks on my feet?

Though I guess you could make the argument that since you gain 2 claw attacks with lesser beast totem, you also grow two arms to make those claw attacks with. But personally I don't feel that is the intended way to read it.