Oriental Pathfinder Campaign Witch Halp


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So I am playing my first oriental campaign since AD&D and it's pathfinder! I never play spellcasters but I read about the soulbound doll so what I want to do is create a Bakemono or Human Child Witch, whose flavor is to create soulbound dolls with the souls of people whom she felt affinity with. I'm looking for some brainstorming or class alternatives to make this happen. I really just want to have a morbid child who has small doll construct. Haha so any ideas or advice would do wonders!


You could play a summoner, and have your eidolon take the form of a small doll.

I've been wanting to look at making a doll mage archetype for summoner, but I keep getting busy with other things.

Scarab Sages

It may not be EXACTLY what you are looking for, but check out the feat "Child-Like" from the APG. It gives halflings a +2 bonus to disguise checks to appear human as well as the ability to take ten on disguise checks (and ignores the penalties for trying to disguise yourself as another race when making yourself look like a human child). There's a trait that gives you another +5 to appear human I think, which would let you at least LOOK like a creepy kid (though you wouldn't technically be one.)

As for class options:

There is a special universalist school called the arcane crafter that gets a bonus feat that would help you build soul dolls quicker. As far as I can see you need 3 feats, Craft Wonderous, Craft magic arms and armor, and then craft construct. With the universalist option, you get all of that at level 5 (Plus at least two other feats), and can start crafting dolls then (though it would be HARD. DC 27, reduce the DC by 5 per spell you have access to (like though a scroll) lesser geas, Magic Jar, Minor creation)

You could play a summoner and have a SINGLE creature which would be your Eidalon, a magic doll-looking otherworldly creature. Theoretically, a summoner can ALSO make actual soulbound dolls, but he'd need to have Use Magic Device or a bunch of people helping him, as some of the spells aren't on the summoner's spell list.

If you are dead-set on being a witch, the Animist might be up your alley. It is an archetype of the new Shaman class (I hybrid oracle-Witch) and it has some spirit related powers, like hijacking other constructs.

Here's the bottom line.
If you want to have one doll-like thing at level 1, you basically have to go with the summoner.

If you want to make them, make a bunch of them, you're going to have to wait until AT LEAST level 5 and go with a either a wizard or a Witch (Probably Wizard for the bonus item creation feats. A witch would have to wait 'till level 7 at least.)

If you want a creepy little kid-looking thing with a bunch of weird powers, but not much in the way of soul dolls, try a witch or a shaman.

Hope that helps.


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Maybe not what you are looking for, but have you considered the gravewalker witch? She switch the familiar for a creepy as hell doll, so you could go with it.


VampByDay wrote:

It may not be EXACTLY what you are looking for, but check out the feat "Child-Like" from the APG. It gives halflings a +2 bonus to disguise checks to appear human as well as the ability to take ten on disguise checks (and ignores the penalties for trying to disguise yourself as another race when making yourself look like a human child). There's a trait that gives you another +5 to appear human I think, which would let you at least LOOK like a creepy kid (though you wouldn't technically be one.)

As for class options:

There is a special universalist school called the arcane crafter that gets a bonus feat that would help you build soul dolls quicker. As far as I can see you need 3 feats, Craft Wonderous, Craft magic arms and armor, and then craft construct. With the universalist option, you get all of that at level 5 (Plus at least two other feats), and can start crafting dolls then (though it would be HARD. DC 27, reduce the DC by 5 per spell you have access to (like though a scroll) lesser geas, Magic Jar, Minor creation)

You could play a summoner and have a SINGLE creature which would be your Eidalon, a magic doll-looking otherworldly creature. Theoretically, a summoner can ALSO make actual soulbound dolls, but he'd need to have Use Magic Device or a bunch of people helping him, as some of the spells aren't on the summoner's spell list.

If you are dead-set on being a witch, the Animist might be up your alley. It is an archetype of the new Shaman class (I hybrid oracle-Witch) and it has some spirit related powers, like hijacking other constructs.

Here's the bottom line.
If you want to have one doll-like thing at level 1, you basically have to go with the summoner.

If you want to make them, make a bunch of them, you're going to have to wait until AT LEAST level 5 and go with a either a wizard or a Witch (Probably Wizard for the bonus item creation feats. A witch would have to wait 'till level 7 at least.)

If you want a creepy little kid-looking thing with a bunch of weird powers,...

Thanks for some of that fantastic feedback! Bakumono is a halfling in the oriental world. The reason why u picked witch was. Because it was in the oriental t class phb but not summoner. Summoner might be the better class in this situation.

Scarab Sages

[Thanks for some of that fantastic feedback! Bakumono is a halfling in the oriental world. The reason why u picked witch was. Because it was in the oriental t class phb but not summoner. Summoner might be the better class in this situation.]

Well, summoners and halflings mesh well together, as summoners cast with charisma and halflings get a bonus to cha. On however, summoners can be a bet overpowered ( general consensus from people) so you may want to look into how to play them as intended instead of exploiting the crap out of them. I don't know too much about them,

One last thing, if you want your character to be from the Asian-inspired contanant, pick up the language 'Tien' which is their version of common. Any character can pick it up as a bonus language despite what it says on your race thing, or you can drop a point in linguistics for it.


If you go with summoner (I've seen them in play, they can be quite good), ask the GM if your summons can be 'toy' versions of the normal creatures, maybe? (Same stats, they just looks like dolls.)

A custom feat to give summons some construct-like immunities would be nice later on, but that might be pretty powerful.


DM gave character restrictions to just Jade Oath and Players HB for pathfinder. So if I want to make a child like witch that is purely a witch how can I do this? Will I still be able to focus on charisma?

Grand Lodge

Vaegir wrote:
DM gave character restrictions to just Jade Oath and Players HB for pathfinder. So if I want to make a child like witch that is purely a witch how can I do this? Will I still be able to focus on charisma?

Halfling with the Childlike feat, or Half-Elf, Half-Orc, Human, or Scion of Humanity Aasimar, with the Racial Heritage(Halfling) feat, and Childlike feat.


Karakuri-ka Kitsune-Tsukai (Dollcrafter Witch)

Arcanist (Unlettered Arcanist, School Savant)
Traits: Hedge Magician, Spark of Creation
CL1 Arc1 Scribe Scroll, Fox Familiar
CL2 Arc2
CL3 Arc3 Craft Wondrous Item
CL4 Arc4
CL5 Arc5 Craft Magic Arms & Armor, Item Creation - Craft Construct

You can create the following Constructs that befit the theme: Soulbound Doll, Soulbound Mannequin

I'd suggest taking Necromancy or Undead as your specialized school, with Evocation as one of your Opposed schools.

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Just for further enjoyment, keep in mind that the following creatures befit an Oriental campaign:

Kitsune (Kitsune, Huli-Jing, Kumiho) exist across Asian mythology. Kitsune & Huli-Jing can be any alignment, though Kumiho are near-universally evil.

Tengu, and Ratfolk (Nezumi) are Japanese.

Grippli can fit into Japanese mythology, as well, though more just a generally thematically, rather than a direct reference.

Vishkanya and Vanara are Hindu

Wayangs are from Java.

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By the way, the above build would also work with just a straight Wizard, if your DM is really dead-set on only Core Rulebook stuff.

I can understand not allowing Pathfinder Society stuff like Player Companions et all, but s/he's a bit of a tool for saying "CRB Only"; the books comprising the PRD are all very balanced, and the most-powerful stuff is arguably still found within the CRB itself.

For players, the only books available are the CRB, Advanced Player's Guide, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, Advanced Race Guide, Advanced Class Guide, and Ultimate Equipment, and if s/he's not allowing that stuff, s/he's really limiting the possibilities (which is an absolute shame, as several classes like the Warpriest and Magus are perfect for Oriental campaigns as Mikos or Taoist Immortals respectively).

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