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Studied Target (Ex)
At 1st level, a sanctified slayer gains the slayer's studied target class feature. She uses her inquisitor level as her effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target.
This ability replaces judgment 1/day.
Studied Target (Ex)
If a slayer deals sneak attack damage to a target, he can study that target as an immediate action, allowing him to apply his studied target bonuses against that target (including to the normal weapon damage roll).
At 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th levels, the bonuses on weapon attack and damage rolls, as well as the bonus to slayer ability DCs against a studied, target increase by 1. In addition, at each such interval, the slayer is able to maintain these bonuses against an additional studied target at the same time. The slayer may discard this connection to a studied target as a free action, allowing him to study another target in its place.
At 7th level, a slayer can study an opponent as a move or swift action.
So I am looking for a consensus on weather Studied Target gained by the Sanctified Slayer Archetype would grant it's studied target bonus to Inquisitor class abilities such as domain granted powers, inquisitions, detect alignment, discern lies, and the Inquisitor's spell-casting ability.
I believe yes because you use your Inquisitor level as your effective slayer level for studied target. However, the argument has been brought up to me that the Santified Slayer does not have Slayer class abilities and thus the bonus would not apply, and that the Santified Slayers use of Studied target is only for boosted damage and skill bonuses.
I counter this line of thinking by saying that if you go with such a reading of the way Sanctified Slayer get Studied target, then you wouldn't be able to use it at all. This is mainly because the ability specifies a slayer using it and if you do not replace all instances of slayer with Inquisitor in studied target then the ability would be unusable since it only uses your Inquisitor level to determine the level based effects of studied target without being given the ability to actually use the class feature.
I'm just looking for good clarification on how this ability works on an inquisitor.
No.
The DCs of slayer class abilities against that opponent increase by 1.
Sanctified Slayer does not modify this line and thus does not benefit from this ability.
A slayer can study an opponent he can see as a move action.
So a Sanctified Slayer cannot even use Studied Target in the first place because it doesn't modify this part of Studied target?
So I am looking for a consensus on weather Studied Target gained by the Sanctified Slayer Archetype would grant it's studied target bonus to Inquisitor class abilities such as domain granted powers, inquisitions, detect alignment, discern lies, and the Inquisitor's spell-casting ability.
I am inclined to agree. Increasing the DR of class powers is part of the Studied Target Power. The feat allows the Inquisitor to use that power with their class.
They do get a limited number of Slayer Talents, but the ability that gives them is called Talented Slayer, which is probably one of the laziest ways to give someone a class feature without technically giving them it I have seen. That is Lazy naming...
Yeah....I don't think it's intended to boost spells DCs for the inquisitor's spellcasting...but with the way it is worded I think it probably does. Or maybe I should say I don't want it to, but I think it probably does.
I would be okay with some official clarification on the matter.
Let's check out the abilities.
Studied Target (Ex): At 1st level, a sanctified slayer gains the slayer's studied target class feature. She uses her inquisitor level as her effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target.This ability replaces judgment 1/day.
Okay, so I gain the slayer's studied target class feature and I use my inquisitor level as my effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target. So that means that I get this:
A slayer can study an opponent he can see as a move action. The slayer then gains a +1 bonus on Bluff, Knowledge, Perception, Sense Motive, and Survival checks attempted against that opponent, and a +1 bonus on weapon attack and damage rolls against it. The DCs of slayer class abilities against that opponent increase by 1. A slayer can only maintain these bonuses against one opponent at a time; these bonuses remain in effect until either the opponent is dead or the slayer studies a new target.If a slayer deals sneak attack damage to a target, he can study that target as an immediate action, allowing him to apply his studied target bonuses against that target (including to the normal weapon damage roll).
At 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th levels, the bonuses on weapon attack and damage rolls, as well as the bonus to slayer ability DCs against a studied, target increase by 1. In addition, at each such interval, the slayer is able to maintain these bonuses against an additional studied target at the same time. The slayer may discard this connection to a studied target as a free action, allowing him to study another target in its place.
At 7th level, a slayer can study an opponent as a move or swift action.
My inquisitor ability says that I use my inquisitor level to as my slayer level, so I've bolded every point where studied target mentions "slayer level."
The archetype does not say that inquisitor class features are treated as slayer class features for the purpose of studied target, so unless I gain some other slayer class features, the saving throw DC bonus, as written, does not apply.
Let's check out the abilities.
Studied Target (Ex): At 1st level, a sanctified slayer gains the slayer's studied target class feature. She uses her inquisitor level as her effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target.This ability replaces judgment 1/day.
Okay, so I gain the slayer's studied target class feature and I use my inquisitor level as my effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target. So that means that I get this:
A slayer can study an opponent he can see as a move action. The slayer then gains a +1 bonus on Bluff, Knowledge, Perception, Sense Motive, and Survival checks attempted against that opponent, and a +1 bonus on weapon attack and damage rolls against it. The DCs of slayer class abilities against that opponent increase by 1. A slayer can only maintain these bonuses against one opponent at a time; these bonuses remain in effect until either the opponent is dead or the slayer studies a new target.If a slayer deals sneak attack damage to a target, he can study that target as an immediate action, allowing him to apply his studied target bonuses against that target (including to the normal weapon damage roll).
At 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th levels, the bonuses on weapon attack and damage rolls, as well as the bonus to slayer ability DCs against a studied, target increase by 1. In addition, at each such interval, the slayer is able to maintain these bonuses against an additional studied target at the same time. The slayer may discard this connection to a studied target as a free action, allowing him to study another target in its place.
At 7th level, a slayer can study an opponent as a move or swift action.
My inquisitor ability says that I use my inquisitor level to as my slayer level, so I've bolded every point where studied target mentions "slayer level."
The archetype does not say that inquisitor class features are treated as...
Which also means in the strictest RAW reading that you are using, that the Sanctified Slayer cannot even use studied target in the first place even though they gain it as a class feature, since that entry changes nothing about any mention of the word slayer at all in the class feature.
If it didn't replace all instances of Slayer with Inquisitor, then the ability is unusable because of it's first sentence in studied target.
It would be something similar to this feat:
PFS Legal Channeling Scourge
Source Ultimate Combat pg. 1 (Amazon)
Your zeal for hunting your faith’s enemies empowers your ability to channel divine energy, as long as you channel that energy for harm.
Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, inquisitor level 1st.
Benefit: When you use channel energy to deal damage, your inquisitor levels count as cleric levels for determining the number of damage dice and the saving throw DC.
Because, in your interpretation, the only way that a sanctified slayer could even use the class feature to begin with would be to multiclass with a level of slayer, then their levels in inquisitor would be used to calculate the level dependent bonuses.
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As much as it would aid my inquisitor, I'm inclined to say no. No real reason why. I just am. Not a wording thing, it's just that it's not a Slayer class ability. Maybe if the Sanctified Slayer picked up other Slayer class abilities too, that would be okay, but they'd have to be ones shared by Slayers. It just seems RAI.
So...It seems to be a thing based on reading and interpretation. Which itself is (ideally) based on reason, but you have no reason for it?
Sorry, but I must ask a better elaboration than that. That's just confusing me. :PMore on thread:
Okay, so I gain the slayer's studied target class feature and I use my inquisitor level as my effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target.
A perhaps semantic point, but if your inquisitor level is sitting in place of a slayer level, would that not make for a whole-hearted replacement of referencing slayer with inquisitor? Since, as given above by Deadkitten:
A slayer can study an opponent he can see as a move action. The slayer then gains a +1 bonus on Bluff, Knowledge, Perception, Sense Motive, and Survival checks attempted against that opponent, and a +1 bonus on weapon attack and damage rolls against it.
If we strictly demand levels must be referenced for the equivalence to function, the entire thing fails to function. After all, the slayer can... - OK, great - what slayer? This guy is an inquisitor. The slayer over there? Here? The enemy slayer?
From that, if we're having to read the equivalence as just Slayer=Inquisitor; then the DCs scale.
Because really, "The Slayer can..." phrase is used commonly in all class features across the board. Its not a mechanical phrase like "Slayer class abilities" is.
Because really, "The Slayer can..." phrase is used commonly in all class features across the board. Its not a mechanical phrase like "Slayer class abilities" is.
I appreciate "The X can" is not mechanical. But it relies on something mechanical - Slayer. A defined entity by the mechanics.
That said, re-reading, I appreciate the given argument by AA.
By RAW, no, you don't get the bonus.
By 'this really seems silly for it to not work', then yes, you get it.